1920 HydraulicDiverter Valve isuues

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toddwulf

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Cameron Park, CA.
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1998 New Holland 1920
1998 NH 1920 4x4, non HSS. Engine recently rebuilt. Sat for two years during rebuild. Have not yet changed the hydraulic filter or fluid and when swapping an FEL hose, fluid appeared to be clear Hydraulic stuff as you would expect. I'm familiar with the diverter valve and it's operation.

Symptoms: If diverter fully CCW (all to FEL), there is a noticeable load on the engine, RPM's drop and FEL functions fine. Almost like it's binding up so pressure is building up somewhere and placing a load on the engine. Rotating CW the load free's up and engine RPM's climb back up as desired, but FEL only drops (Dump), won't lift or curl. Three point lift as expected does not lift when diverted all to FEL. Regardless of diverter position, 3 point lift does not drop fully, only about 25% of the way. Normally, at 11 o'clock on the diverter, you can operate rear and front hydraulics just fine. This is no longer the case. The noticeable load on the engine affects drive performance and where I used to be able to drive up my hill in 3rd/1st, now I have to drop to 2nd/2nd.

Facts: One FEL hydraulic hose sprung a leak and was swapped out. I don't think it's air in the lines as cycling through would normally move that along unless I'm missing something.
On engine rebuild, the hydraulic pump was not serviced but all hydraulics appeared to function fine after R&R. These symptoms started occurring well after the FEL hose was replaced.
There is a 757C backhoe and ports to connect hydraulics. This is not connected at present but was during storage.

Questions: I'm getting my shop manual back this afternoon but there are two fill points for fluids (non engine). The first is where the dipstick is, directly on top of the transmission between operator feet. This takes Hydraulic fluid correct?
The other is on top of the rear 3 point above the rear axle, which only has a large rubber bung. What does this one take? Hyd or 90 gear oil?

What trouble shooting steps should I take to diagnose the diverter valve issue?

Thanks in Advance from Placerville, CA.
 
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Todd, the rear end and transmission are common. Fill in transmission with transmission/hydraulic fluid Ford New Holland 134D or equivalent.
Not sure about diverter problem yet.
 
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Thanks for this answer.
 
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I am installing a loader in a few weeks. I would like to watch this thread
 
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Just an update on this as I've run the tractor over the last couple weeks and paid close attention to the symptoms.

The 3 Pt. does move up and down when diverter is rotated CW for full rear hydraulics. Cycled numerous times and appeared to function normally.
When diverter is CCW for full front hydraulics, the FEL operates but still has an RPM drop. When I cycle through FEL operation (up/down)(curl) the binding free's up, RPM's climb until I stop when symptoms reoccur.

I haven't yet R&R'd the hydraulic filter but I can't imagine that is the cause. I don't want to rupture any of the piping or hoses or worse, the FEL valve or diverter itself. All the pressure build up seems to be at the diverter valve.
 
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I think you need to take another look at the three hoses between the diverter and the loader valve. Sounds like you may have some crossed.
 
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Todd, have you tried disconnecting the quick connects on the loader? I had a similar problem when I first got my 1920 and one of the disconnects was partially unseated. Bill C
 
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Thanks Guys. Entirely possible the hoses could be crossed as the FEL was removed for the engine rebuild. I will try and that should also verify if any are not seated correctly.
 
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Well, I verified the hoses into the manifold are correct. Back stick-bucket up, forward stick-bucket down, left stick-curl up, right stick-curl down. Still have the binding issue. I did replace one of the FEL hoses after it blew a pin hole leak when we reattached the FEL so I'm wondering if perhaps I got contamination in the system that lodged in the diverter valve. I will verify all the non manifold hoses are secured properly just to be certain. Anyone ever serviced the diverter?
 

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