1st Regen Mode and then to the Shop

[TractorGunn]

Hit the first regen mode on the tractor, seemed like it ran about 30 minutes or so, and she has about 28 hours on her now.

And the starter is at it again.

Funny thing is last time it did it after attaching the brush mower, this time it did it taking it off to put on the boxblade.

She's definitely going to the shop to figure this out.

 

[TractorGunn]

Welp, they picked up my tractor this morning.

She wouldn't turn over either, guy tapped the starter while I turned the key, and she fired right up.

Sounds like it's going to be a couple weeks before I get her back.

 

[5030]

I sure am glad I have pre emissions tractors. When I read about the woes you all have on here, I thank myself I kept my somewhat vintage units. I had started to contemplate about upgrading to new tractors last year but didn't and I'm quietly thankfull I never did. Sometimes procrastination isn't all bad.

Bad enough owning emissions compliant cars that I cannot work on except for oil and oil fiter changes.

At least the automakers seem to have a handle on reliable emissions componets. tractor manufacturers don't in my view. To make it even worse, no tractor manufacturer's diagnostic tools (code readers and such) can be plugged into a different manufacturers tractors. For example, the Kubota scan tool cannot access triuble codes or components failures on say a Mahindra tractor, heck, you cannot even plug into the Mahindra diagnostic port because every manfacturer uses a unique gateway that no others can physically plug into. No standardization what so ever, quite unlike the OBD port on cars and trucks where you can access most everything emissions and drivetrain related with just about any scan tool.... and it also appears that the quality and longevity of emissions related components on newer tractors is lacking as well. My Autel scan tool plugs into our GM as well as our Ford and reads the computers seamlessly. I cannot even plug the Autel into a late model Kubota because the diagnostic port is unique to Kubota only.

I think it's all pure unadulterated hog wash and why I'm glad I kept my 2 pre 4 tractors. No emissions related garbage to fail and no unique code reader to read trouble codes which a dealer will charge you for.

When tractor builders first got into the 4-5 emissions standards they should have all sat down and standardized their diagnostic ports and programmed their ECU's so they could be read with any scan tool, just like cars and light trucks of today can be read.

They are all basically using similar emissions hardware anyway but none of their ECU's are compatible with each other.

 

[5030]

Sort of similar to JD's 'right to repair fiasco. You cannot access a JD unit with a non JD scan tool and to make it even worse, JD won't sell the average Joe farmer a compatible scan tool at any price. Even worse are the newer JD farm tractors, combines and spray rigs. Note I don't own any green equipment and won't but the newer units, the units actually communicate with the selling dealer via the Greenstar Satellite communications sytem and the unit tells the dealer when it's time to service it and get this.. The unit owner if he changes the oil, has to use JD filters because the filters all have microprocessors inside that tell the dealer stuff like filter restriction and if the filter has failed so the filters have to be replaced with JD filters only or the unit goes into limp mode....and limp mode don't work when farming, if you can even get a unit out of the barn. My buddy down the road runs JD exclusively so I get first hand experience with them. His units communicate with the dealer and then the tech shows up at his barn, performs the required services and charges him for that and he (tech) don't call ahead, he just shows up. Heck of a way to run a business.

 

[TractorGunn]

I sure am glad I have pre emissions tractors. When I read about the woes you all have on here, I thank myself I kept my somewhat vintage units. I had started to contemplate about upgrading to new tractors last year but didn't and I'm quietly thankfull I never did. Sometimes procrastination isn't all bad.

Bad enough owning emissions compliant cars that I cannot work on except for oil and oil fiter changes.

At least the automakers seem to have a handle on reliable emissions componets. tractor manufacturers don't in my view. To make it even worse, no tractor manufacturer's diagnostic tools (code readers and such) can be plugged into a different manufacturers tractors. For example, the Kubota scan tool cannot access triuble codes or components failures on say a Mahindra tractor, heck, you cannot even plug into the Mahindra diagnostic port because every manfacturer uses a unique gateway that no others can physically plug into. No standardization what so ever, quite unlike the OBD port on cars and trucks where you can access most everything emissions and drivetrain related with just about any scan tool.... and it also appears that the quality and longevity of emissions related components on newer tractors is lacking as well. My Autel scan tool plugs into our GM as well as our Ford and reads the computers seamlessly. I cannot even plug the Autel into a late model Kubota because the diagnostic port is unique to Kubota only.

I think it's all pure unadulterated hog wash and why I'm glad I kept my 2 pre 4 tractors. No emissions related garbage to fail and no unique code reader to read trouble codes which a dealer will charge you for.

When tractor builders first got into the 4-5 emissions standards they should have all sat down and standardized their diagnostic ports and programmed their ECU's so they could be read with any scan tool, just like cars and light trucks of today can be read.

They are all basically using similar emissions hardware anyway but none of their ECU's are compatible with each other.

I've had no 'woes' with the emissions system.

 

[5030]

I've had no 'woes' with the emissions system.

Consider yourself blessed but when you do, you'll be at the dealer's mercy and shop rate 100%.

Emissions related components under the EPA mandated guidelines are 'supposed to be guaranteed for 5 years, no exceptions, but it appears to me that a lot of dealers attempt to skirt around that and 'blame' emissions components failures on non emission component parts so they can charge the customer to fix them and what happens after the 5 year guarantee is up and they fail?

I guess you could trade in every 5 years for a new unit and take the depreciation hit and be happy. Don't work that way for me. For me, a tractor purchase is a large investment and I expect the unit to be viable for way more than 5 years. and...

If you peruse the used tractor market like on Tractor House for instance, almost every for sale ad states 'Tractor is a pre emissions unit' Why do they list them as such? Simple answer, because buyers don't want an emissions compliant unit plus non emissions tractors really retian their vaule.

I know that well. Both mine are pre emissions and I've been told (by my dealer) that they are worth if I sold them, at least as much as I paid for them new. Not that I would, simply because I don't ewant the grief, emissins compliant units have.