2-wheeled or compact tractor?

   / 2-wheeled or compact tractor? #11  
Start checkin' CraigsList! It's time to buy a tractor!! :laughing:

I want to reiterate - BE PICKY when you're shopping!! Look at a lot of them so when the right one comes along, you'll know it. I know that I was in kind of a hurry when I first started looking, but it was about 7 months from the time I started looking until I actually bought one. I scoured CraigsList a couple of times a day. You are going to learn all sorts of stuff about these small tractors!!

If you want to look at new, be sure to visit all of the dealers of the various brands. Dealer support is super important. The JD dealer I bought my 3520 from is only about 2 miles from my house and they have a good reputation. But also check out Kubota, Kioti, Mahindra, etc.

The final "rule" is this - once you buy something, you MUST post pictures here for the rest of us to see!! :)
 
   / 2-wheeled or compact tractor? #12  
EBay is another source for used tractors.

There are 82 tractors for sale on eBay within 200 miles of zip code 60450:

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   / 2-wheeled or compact tractor? #13  
I have had lots of equipment on my farm experimenting with things that I think I'll need, ended up buying/selling/trading through quite a bit of items... that wasted time and money. Now I have what I consider an ideal setup, I have a little tractor (kubota l175 2wd) that I paid $1200 for, it is mainly my overgrown lawn mower but due to the minimal amount of diesel fuel it uses has already paid for itself... On a farm do NOT underestimate the fuel costs, they are my largest expense by far (we're organic btw)... That tractor has the ability to do much more than mow grass with a 3 point finish mower (btw, do yourself a favor and get one of those instead of a belly mower, they tend to hang up on everything). I won't dare post the fuel cost of operating that little kubota, it's ridiculously low, but suffice to say it's about 1/10th that of a big gas riding mower... THEN, we had to get a tractor that would pull a plow and do more work, so I got a well used but good running Massey Ferguson 65 diesel for $2,500. The kubota wouldn't pull a plow very well, er, at all... Pulling a plow is ALL about weight/traction, my stepfather tried with his 4x4 40 horsepower hydrostatic massey with the industrial type tires on it, it worked but just barely... my big 65 with ag tires yanks a moldboard plow like it doesn't exist, literally at an idle in VERY tough virgin ground... 4x4 is nice but not necessary unless you're really light weight or working in really bad mud, however a differential lock is a MUST, the little kubota has no differential lock but does well enough as long as I don't mow on any steep hills until after the dew has burned off or not too soon after a rain... Tire chains would help, but I ride on pavement alot so... not interested in tire chains right now... I picked up a troy bilt horse tiller for just tilling/cultivating... if you're talking about just tilling, it's hard to beat an old 4 speed horse... Lastly, I got a Gravely L8 with bush hog and rotary plow for the in between work... some might think all those things are overkill, but they're not, they each fill a niche and do so much better than trying a one size fits all approach, plus... just machines I got everything for under 5 grand, add the impements for the 'real' tractors and we're still under 7 grand... everything came from craigslist, sometimes I might have drove a couple hours one way for a good deal, but it was always worth it.

My advice to someone just starting out (we're not that far ahead of you, only a few years in on the farm) get the bigger tractor first and a decent "normal" tiller, buy a good used one and do lots of research... a leaky tractor is an expensive tractor to operate and time consuming to fix, check the hydraulic lift with something on it, NOT empty (wonder how I know that?). Get a plow and disc harrows, they will do a fine job, you don't want your soil turned into a powder anyhow, anything you need finer, use the normal garden tiller for until you get something better...

I have owned a BCS, found the parts to be prohibitively expensive so I sent it to a new home. That was really my only complaint though, it was a well made and super nice machine, but I kinda like the old gravely and later on down the road you can re-power it with a big honda engine to have a truly 'nice' machine...

Don't get in a rush and spend money that you don't absolutely have to, something will pop up on craigslist and you'll wish you had the money then! Buy decent things and use them but don't abuse them and they'll last, our first couple of years I was spending TONS of money maintaining homeowner grade equipment plus all the downtime and frustration...

I had a 3 point tiller for the big tractor btw... it was honestly kinda useless, sure I used it, but I still had to have a 'small' tiller and for the money that it cost it didn't save me that much time/effort, I sent it on it's way as well...

Good luck!
 
   / 2-wheeled or compact tractor?
  • Thread Starter
#14  
This is all extremely helpful. Thank you! We don't move in until June so I'm starting to research this now figuring that gives me a little time to get it right. Not a mad rush at present but, come July, I'm guessing the grass will grow whether I have a tractor to cut it or not.

wyndsurfr, I was wondering about the mower question re: belly vs. 3-point hitch. I like the idea of the latter and what you say makes sense, but my one concern was maneuverability since we have about four acres in fenced pasture. Do you find this to be an issue?

Also, am I making a mistake trying to get one "do-all" tractor that can cut the grass in the lawn & fenced pasture while also wanting a machine that can till five acres without choking?
 
   / 2-wheeled or compact tractor? #15  
Well, it depends really... you want a front end loader I saw, that is going to be a HUGE pain in the butt for mowing. Your screen name leads me to believe you are in the flat lands haha (I should be a detective huh?), so you may not have the same challenges that I face living in the mountains... however, there are things that a larger tractor will do that a smaller one absolutely will not... With small tractors 4x4 is really nice, for me I don't even need 4x4 on my larger massey, I mentioned the little kubota without a differential lock will sometimes take a slide down a hill while I'm mowing though... I'd say a Diff lock would be on the top of my list when I replace it. The other thing to consider is that while you would double your maintenance costs by having two tractors, if you are going to try farming for a living and a tractor is essential to your plan, having a second tractor is really nice... If I were you I would seriously consider a small tractor in really good condition with no loader and at least a 5 ft. 3 point finish mower for my "lawn mower", trust me, it'll save you money if you can get a good deal on it... I was spending a TON on fuel for just mowing our grass and it sounds like we have about the same amount to mow. My little kubota is a 2 cylinder 18 h.p. and is quite surprising in what it will do..

your specific question of maneuverability, I would assume a belly mower would be more maneuverable than a 3 point, my stepfather has a belly mower for his tractor I referenced in my earlier comment and he curses it constantly, it's a bit of a pain to remove and he removes it quite often... Oh, and, if you go with a 3 point mower, either buy a rear discharge or convert the side discharge to rear (I did this and it worked just fine)... With a side discharge, if you let the grass get away from you, you will lay out BIG rows of grass (kinda like when they prepare hay for bailing) and you will constantly fight and choke on those over and over again (unles you actually have a hay bailer and can bail it!)... Last year it rained so much that I couldn't mow because of the mud as often as I would have liked and had to constantly fight the big rows of clippings I left, so I cut the back off of my mower, removed the little circular blade chutes (if you see under one, you'll see what I mean) and welded part of the back over the side discharge hole... works perfectly! Side discharge mowers are MUCH cheaper than rear discharge, but it works just fine doing what I did... Now when I mow, it scatters the clippings behind me in a 5-7 ft. area and they don't pile up, plus I can mow a little bit taller/wetter grass without slipping the belts on the mower....

Ultimately, your particular piece of land will determine what you need to do, for us though I found having a big tractor for big work (such as plowing/tilling) and having the small tractor for mainly grass mowing and light duty bush hogging has been the way to go... I recently got another 2 wheeled tractor (after selling the bcs last year) because I put my big tractor into a place that I shouldn't have and got a flat... the gravely cost less than the tire I busted, so I figure (eek) the gravely can be a sacrificial thing, I'll take it as easy as I can on it, but for the price, I'd rather lose it than put another tire on my massey... Your land may be such that you don't need a 2 wheeled tractor at all, but I have creek banks to clean up alongside and the beavers like to chew stumps to little tire spears out there haha...

so, In my opinion, yeah I think it would be a mistake to get one tractor to do it all... I think if you spend wisely and wait for the right deal you can come out like I did with some decent cheap machines, I would get a nicer small tractor than a big tractor though, you'll be using it quite a bit more if you're mowing, and at least around here, I find big old farm tractors all the time with loaders even in the 2,000-3,500 range, just check them out very well, tires are expensive and if they need rims too (from putting calcium in the tubes) then you're looking at around 2 grand just for tires/rims and remember about leaks, most old used tractors will leak a little but if they're leaking alot that adds up from all that money pouring out on the ground!

If you're doing this on a serious budget like us, paying a shop to work on a tractor is out of the question, most places around here want $160-$180 per hour to work on your machine, I'm a pretty good mechanic but you don't really have to be as long as you don't get too new/fancy with your tractors, a good real factory service manual (you're gonna pay 80 bucks or more for one) and even a little bit of mechanical skill (plus awesome forum help like here) will carry you a long way.

I hope that helped some, I wish I had learned these things at the first, would have saved me alot of hassels for sure! Grass mowing is probably my number one job here, that and weeding our blueberry orchard (organic so I can't spray)... With the ground you described, depending on your location, you may be in the same situation, if so, then a nice small fuel efficient diesel machine will be great for your chores...

On a side note, my massey 65 diesel seems to be a VERY fuel efficient machine for its size, most guys who own one agree that theirs just sips fuel also... nothing iike my kubota, but the few times I have had to use the massey with the finish mower, I was impressed... The 18 h.p. kubota will go as fast as the finish mower can mow the grass without choking the engine out so for us, that critter is perfect... I can mow in Hi-2 (or 6th gear) and move pretty darn quick... Not as fast as some of the fancy zero turn mowers I've seen, but still as quick as I need to...

*edited*

I wanted to add, I start and use my Massey every few weeks (unless it's during plowing season like now), my kubota gets used every couple of days at least, that's why I said to get a little nicer small one as at least for me, I use it quite a bit more... I could put a loader on the massey and it would be a little bit of a pain to use it, but it would be fine, If i put a loader on the kubota I know I would curse it all the time for being in the way... Also, while I LOVE diesel, the massey could honestly be a gasoline tractor and be fine since I don't use it often enough for fuel to be a huge issue, so if you're getting a couple of tractors, the big one for the heavy work don't pass on a great deal for a gasoline one... the plus side is, if it gets really cold where you live, that one will start in the cold much easier!
 
   / 2-wheeled or compact tractor? #16  
Whoops, reading my first comment, I made a typo.... I would get the SMALL tractor first, and then look for a big one (of course snatch something that is a good deal for sure big or small)... My stepfather has a fairly compact 40 h.p. massey hydro drive tractor with 4x4 and it will not do 1/4 of the work that my ancient 2wd massey 65 will do, with tractors and acutal work like pulling things or moving things, weight is your friend...

anyhow, if you get the small tractor and some implements for it (like 4 ft. bush hog, 5 ft. finish mower, etc...) and then you find the big tractor later, your big tractor can use all the implements for the small one and you can take your time finding implements for the big one (like a big bush hog, or haying equipment, etc...) If you really need some plowing done right away that the smaller one can't handle, start asking around and hire it out until you can find the right deal on a bigger machine... That small tractor will start paying for itself immediately though. It won't handle ALL of your lawn mowing needs, I'd recommend a good push mower and buy a ridiculously expensive weed eater... With all those fence lines you're gonna need it!!! I have a Stihl FS-250 and while it did cost over 500 bucks, I'd buy it again in a heartbeat. Best 500 dollars I ever spent, and I can't repeat it enough, we are NOT wealthy, we are actually quite poor, but I'm able to come up with some cash when we need to...

from what you described, you're gonna be dealing with grass quite often, so get good equipment for that, you'll be glad you did.
 
   / 2-wheeled or compact tractor? #17  
All of the info. above is very good and should be considered. One thing that nobody has pointed out.......you ain't gettin any younger and a two wheel will become heavier as you get older. Also.......and more important...a 4 wheel tractor is fun and you will enjoy the experience everytime you go out to do something on the farm. :thumbsup:
 
   / 2-wheeled or compact tractor? #18  
jerrybob makes a great point! That is exactly the reason I got my nice old L8 (pics in one of my threads on here)... The old fella who maintained it for years had it slip out of gear going up his driveway (thank god the pto was turned off) and it ran completely over him backwards!!! If you're new to trators of any kind, please please please heed this warning... Those machines do not care about you, they do not even know you exist. If you get caught in a PTO it will keep flopping you around until someone else turns the machine off or it will run you over and keep on going until it hits something that it can't move and then just dig till it runs out of fuel... that said, tractors are fun :)
 
   / 2-wheeled or compact tractor? #19  
I wanted to add to flatlandfarmer, you will probably be looking at all the same equipment that I was for a small acreage farm, I had one of those tow behind a 4 wheeler bush hog things for a while, and it was decent, the machine worked a little better than I thought it would, but it was absolutely hard on my ATV, since I have a very nice ATV, it wasn't worth trashing it to use the pull behind mower.... 4 wheelers aren't really meant to go that slow all the time, add that to the fact that it vibrated my machine in ways I don't think it was intended to be vibrated... I know that's a little off topic, but something I thought was worth mentioning.... Most of that equipment to use behind an atv does work, but unless you have a cheap 4 wheeler that you don't mind trashing, then don't work it that hard :)
 
   / 2-wheeled or compact tractor?
  • Thread Starter
#20  
jerrybob- Actually my wife has pointed out I'm not getting any younger. Repeatedly.

wyndsurf- It does sound like I'm following a similar track as you did. Still debating the one tractor v. two tractor idea. Someone offered to sell me a JDX540 to handle the grass but that'd be way to small to handle any other tasks I have planned. Starting with a "small" tractor might make sense (like your Kubota, which isn't exactly small compared to some options) and then figuring out what I want with something a bit bigger. On the other hand, if one tractor can do it all, more budget can go to one machine than splitting it up into two. I'll be doing a bit of browsing over the next few weeks. I'm sure the right machine will appear.

As for a general question, I know there's not a simple answer to this, but when is old too "old" for a tractor?
 

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