2005 model Ford trucks

BigDave · Oct 21, 2004

Pulling a trailer, no problem. Just as long as it was downhill, with a tail wind, and someone else was towing the Suzuki. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

BHarrison · Nov 15, 2004

( ( The first auto manufacturer that can get a light truck into the market with a diesel will make a killing. )

My bet is the new Toyota pickup as a 2007 Model. How would that be seen with Toyota beating the three domestic makers to the market /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

BTW, built in Texas.....I'd buy one.

Kevin )

Is this wishful thinking, or do you have any type of inside on this info?

thanks

-Ben

johnday · Nov 15, 2004

All; Does anyone have a clue why FoMoCo went with that little 6.0, or 365 VT as Navstar calls it? /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif What was wrong with the 7.3, or T444E as Navstar calls that. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif One thing I wondered about in addition is why Ford never opted for the 466 or even the 530HT! Now, if you were to turn either one of those up GM and Dodge would really have red faces instead of RED trucks. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

cowboydoc · Nov 15, 2004

The ONLY reason that ford went with the 6.0 litre is because of the ridiculous emission standards that are being imposed on vehicles. There was no way possible to get the 7.3 to be emission compliant. That is why they had to go with a whole new design. It's also why there were initially alot of problems. Ford went places with a diesel that there basically was no technology to draw from. All the previous technology was completely thrown out with these new motors. It's also why it took so long to get fixes for some of the problems. Most of the time it was easy to fix the problems but to fix the problem and stay within the emission standards was the big hangup.

Joe1 · Nov 15, 2004

How would the 444 and 530 HT compare in weight to the 6.0? I suspect they would be quite a bit heavier.

If I recall correctly, back in 1960 or 1961 GMC was either offering a 4 cyl diesel in their light duty pick up or were going to. I believe it was a one year only option and was very unpopular.

Cummins doesn't have to develop a small diesel for Chryler, they can get all they want from Mercedes and are offering one in the Jeep Liberty.

An interesting discussion.
I recall a Popular Mechanica article from the 1970's or thereabouts where they took a 3 cyl Yanmar tractor diesel of around 25 hp and dropped it into either an Austin Healey Sprite or an MG Midget. With Overdrive, it had a top speed of 65 MPH and got 60 MPG.

beagdog · Nov 15, 2004

Not just the weight, but the physical dimensions of the DT466 and DT530 would make it difficult to fit into a pickup chassis. Not impossible, but difficult.

hobbyfarm · Nov 15, 2004

( ( The first auto manufacturer that can get a light truck into the market with a diesel will make a killing. )

My bet is the new Toyota pickup as a 2007 Model. How would that be seen with Toyota beating the three domestic makers to the market

BTW, built in Texas.....I'd buy one.
)
Toyota still turn our dollars into Yen, and I'll never own one.

hobbyfarm · Nov 15, 2004

( Cummins doesn't have to develop a small diesel for Chryler, they can get all they want from Mercedes and are offering one in the Jeep Liberty )

You know, I don't see why Daimler/Chrysler doesn't use its in- house Detroit Diesel for some of its engines.

cowboydoc · Nov 16, 2004

It won't compare. It is too heavy and too bulky to get into the engine compartment. Just look at what they have to do today to get the smaller v-8 into the pickup. It goes in but it's a nightmare to work on. Also the truck has to stay under 8000 lbs. weight wise. If they go over 8k then you run into all kinds of cdl and registration requirements that people don't have to deal with on a pickup. We pay a $1000 a year or more on some of our trucks and only $54 a year for a pickup. The crewcab 4wd are 7k plus now. With more engine weight it would likely put them over that 8k thresh hold. And not to even mention the fact of the suspension. All of the diesels have a heck of a time keeping the front end suspensions heavy enough as it is without riding like a tank.

johnday · Nov 16, 2004

You guys are probably all right about the 466 & 530, but imagine the possibilities. Ford could redesign the Super Duty, they have done it before. And with the added weight, they could make a suspension that wouldn't ride like a tank. For that matter my 250, 4times4, supercab, with 8' box rides better than most cars I've been in, and can still carry more than a bag groceries. None of this will probably ever happen, at least from the factory, but it sure is something to dream about! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif