2011 Superduty Specs Announced

[jagyzf]

I am glad you jumped in here. NY's website does a pretty good job of clearly saying what can and can not be done with a standard DL.
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NYDMV web site isn't always 100% acuate or consistent. This right here is from the New York State CDL training book. Notice the 26001 lbc GCWR with a 10000 lbs trailer. I have found they have a few mistakes.

1.1 - Commercial Motor Vehicles (CMV)
You must have a Commercial Driver License (CDL) to operate any of the following CMVs:
Any single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more.
A trailer with a GVWR of more than 10,000 pounds if the gross combination weight rating
(GCWR) is 26,001 pounds or more.
A vehicle designed to transport 15 or more passengers (excluding the driver) or a vehicle
defined as a bus under Article 19-A, Section 509-a of the NYS Vehicle and Traffic Law (VTL).
Any size vehicle that is used in the transportation of any material that requires hazardous
materials placards or any quantity of a material listed as a select agent or toxin in 42 CFR 73.
Federal regulations through the Department of Homeland Security require a background check
and fingerprinting for the Hazardous Materials endorsement.

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This is also from the NY web site, again only if combine weight rating is less than 26000 lbs.

桧perator, Class D: Issued to drivers age 18 or over, or to drivers age 17 with Driver Education. Valid for passenger cars and trucks with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,000 lbs. or less. A Class D driver can drive a vehicle that tows another vehicle (for example a trailer) that has a maximum gross weight of 10,000 lbs. or less. A Class D driver can tow a vehicle with a GVWR of more than 10,000 lbs only if the combined weight rating of the two vehicles is 26,000 lbs. or less. See the important information about changes for Class D drivers that result from a law that eliminates the Non-CDL Class C license.

 

[Diamondpilot]

I still think that new diesel LOOKS wicked complex, compared to my 6.7 Cummins.

As far as the tow ratings go I guess unless you're willing to get a CDL you really can't tow much more with a new super duty than you can with the other 2.

OK, Ding! Round 2.

JB.

Unless you are operating with Farm Plates or pulling a RV or Boat in Indiana at least or you own equipment and not getting any pay in return for it.

I know, its a fine line... We have been operating that way for years hear. I see guys pulled over in a F-150 pulling a single axle trailer with a ZTR on it for not having DOT#'s while I blow past in my F-350 and 15,600# behind it. Its all how its plated and if its commercial or not. I know its not fair but that is how it is here.

Chris

 

[MikePA]

Last July there was a similar thread, oddly enough, also about Fords and, as hard as it is to believe, many of the same participants. Admit it, go ahead, you're stunned, aren't you? Click Here for a description of that thread and this one.

An oft used analogy is that TBN is like the old country store where people sit around and chew the fat. If this discussion was really happening in that country store, it'd have to be open 24 hours and several people would be passed out, face down in the pickle barrel.

 

[timswi]

An oft used analogy is that TBN is like the old country store where people sit around and chew the fat. If this discussion was really happening in that country store, it'd have to be open 24 hours and several people would be passed out, face down in the pickle barrel.

Mike..you are correct about that..Circular arguments everywhere. I need a beer.

 

[MikePA]

I need a beer.

Me, too. I'd mention a brand, but that'd probably result in another 16 pages of argument. Suffice to say, it'd be one brewed by America's oldest brewery, maybe a black and tan.

 

[75H2]

Me, too. I'd mention a brand, but that'd probably result in another 16 pages of argument. Suffice to say, it'd be one brewed by America's oldest brewery, maybe a black and tan.

+1 on your choice of beers. Then again I like them all. Let's start a new thread. Topic: My dad will beat up your dad.

Seriously though, I'm shopping for a P/U. I'm learning alot.

 

[Tailrotor]

A trailer with a GVWR of more than 10,000 pounds if the gross combination weight rating (GCWR) is 26,001 pounds or more.

This is the statement I have been looking for this is the one you have to read between the lines. What this means, and says very poorly is that if you plan on hauling a trailer greater then 10k you must have a CDL or a ( Combine truck and trailer licenses.) And you can go up to 26k with the bigger class trailer and be legal.

According to you and others if I have a truck and trailer and my load is under 26k I am good to go even if my trailer weighs in at 15k and my truck is 10k I should be legal.

Wrong!! When the DOT Pulls you over and pulls the scales out he is going to check your Trucks GVWR and front and back axle GVWR. and If that is with in specs, he will move on to the trailer.

Now when he looks at your trailer and the GVWR on the data tag and it is classed at over 10k , He is going to ask you for your combined Registration (Truck & Trailer licenses) or CDL. If you do not have one of those get your check book out.

He then will move on to weigh your trailer wheels front and back GVWR to make sure you are in specs. 12k two 6k axles. If your over get your check book out.

This is the fine line that everyone over looks when they read this statements some guys think this means as longs as your under 26k you can go where ever you want. You can't unless you have the right combo of licenses.

Now lets say you want to buy a trailer for your tractor and you want to haul a bush hog and some other small implements. So you decide on a trailer that ways 2800lbs and has a GVWR of 12k ( useful load of 9200lbs.) Now your tractor weighs in at 5k and your truck is 8k. So 5k+8k+2800lbs = 15,800lbs
You are well with in limits, right. Your under 26k should be good to go.

Now the problems here is your trailer has a GVWR 12k this is what the trailer is classed at 12k. If it would be 10k or less no problem.
But in this case you will be ask for a combination registration Truck & Trailer licenses or CDL. If not get your check book out.

You can not buy a trailer over 10k GVWR and hook it to your truck and haul it around In PA legal if you don't have a Combined registration truck & trailer license or CDL.

What the Combined Registration Truck & Trailer licenses does is lets you haul a bigger class trailer over 10k and still stay under 26k and be legal. With out the CDL. But if you don't have one or the other and you haul a trailer classed more then 10k GVWR. Get your check book out.

You have to read between the lines combined and combination

Now if you stay under 26k and never haul a trailer more the 10k GVWR in PA and keep your axle GVWR and Trailer Axles GVWR in specs you should not have any problem. Oh yea tung weight also.

There is more to this then you know it is very confusing and nothing more then making Money for the Man!!

And one more thing There are exception to this if you fall in the other classes such as RV, Farm ,or Restricted.

 

[JB4310]

Last July there was a similar thread, oddly enough, also about Fords and, as hard as it is to believe, many of the same participants. Admit it, go ahead, you're stunned, aren't you? Click Here for a description of that thread and this one.

I don't know if I'm it it but I'm not gonna look, too embarrassed

I do believe it is a relevant topic though, even if it has been rehashed, many far less critical topics have been recycled here.

JB.

 

[Tailrotor]

I don't know if I'm it it but I'm not gonna look, too embarrassed

I do believe it is a relevant topic though, even if it has been rehashed, many far less critical topics have been recycled here.

JB.

Nice looking Tractor JB4310.

 

[powerstroke444e]

When I seen how popular this thread was I was hoping that it would be about the ford truck, not about DOT. I say there should be one thread section on how to beat a dead horse and I would bet you guys would get all the proper ways figured out.

As for the new Ford? I was hoping for a truck that was as easy on fuel as the older ones 1995-2006 era trucks pre-emission, that would still haul a 14K trailer. Instead these new trucks are a cross bread highend sports car that is more about show and go than usefullness.
As for my wish list on a new heavy pickup? 1. air ride 2. factory 5thwheel gooseneck hitch 3. tool boxes in the bed (like on dodge 1/2tons)