2014 Mahindra 3616 Shuttle Intermittent Starting Problems

[buzstockholm]

anybody have a wiring diagram for the 3616 model year 2013. I got this clicking going on, repalced selnoid to no avail, can jump across from the hot side to the field connection then the starter motor engages and starts as long as the key is in the start postion, any help would be excellent.

 

[lxmeier]

Happy news.
My 3616 has had an intermittent starting problem for quite a while. When I turned the key it might engage the starter and might just click. No pattern to it. Often had to turn the key 6 to 8 times before it would turn the starter. followed the instructions above and bought the exact relay and wire harness described. Works awsome.

 

[buzstockholm]

Happy news.
My 3616 has had an intermittent starting problem for quite a while. When I turned the key it might engage the starter and might just click. No pattern to it. Often had to turn the key 6 to 8 times before it would turn the starter. followed the instructions above and bought the exact relay and wire harness described. Works awsome.

where did you purchase the harness...if I jump across the starter it works fine but that is a pain in the rear.:dance1:

 

[lxmeier]

NAPA Auto Parts.
Relay no. AR276
Wire Harness EC23.
I put a 30A fuse holder in the wire from relay to the battery lead. Also buy a fuse because they dont come in the NAPA fuse holders.

Will send a photo later today.

This is a 5 wire relay but you only use 4 of them,

Follow the link I included on my previous post. IT has instructions if you read through the entire post.

Good luck

 

[buzstockholm]

NAPA Auto Parts.
Relay no. AR276
Wire Harness EC23.
I put a 30A fuse holder in the wire from relay to the battery lead. Also buy a fuse because they dont come in the NAPA fuse holders.

Will send a photo later today.

This is a 5 wire relay but you only use 4 of them,

Follow the link I included on my previous post. IT has instructions if you read through the entire post.

Good luck

thanks , I went to TC33da starting problems and Jshed had pictures, probably the same way you did it, if you still want to send photo that's great too.

 

[lxmeier]

thanks , I went to TC33da starting problems and Jshed had pictures, probably the same way you did it, if you still want to send photo that's great too.

buzstovkholm
Please let us know how it works for you.

 

[buzstockholm]

buzstovkholm
Please let us know how it works for you.

Hey sorry it took so long but I just got her hooked up and she works just fine, thanks for your support.

 

[PECSP]

Ditto here. I also have a 3616 and had the same starting problem when I turned the key would sometimes (most of the time) it would just click. No pattern. Often had to turn the key 6 to 8 times before I could get it to turn the starter. I have had this problem before on various equipment mostly mowers so installed an assist relay and problem solved. This is a easy fix.

 

[redobbin]

I have a 4035, same issue you described. It turned out to that I needed to replace the ignition switch been working fine ever since.

 

[brewer_chuck]

Just used the solution prescribed here on my 3616. It works. I sat in my cab and started the engine about 20 times - not because I was performing some lengthy field test of my handiwork - I was so happy I had to hear it a few times.

 

[corbox1]

I have a 3616 shuttle with the problematic click, click, click, start issue. I ordered the relay and harness mentioned in this thread from NAPA. Installed it as directed and expected amazing things. Got it all back together and the machine would not start at all, not even a click. Not sure if I did something wrong?
Installed near starter on left side. (4) Wires off the relay. (1) to ground bolt, (1) to starter + terminal, (1) to starter relay metal tab, and the last to the stock wire that was previously attached to the metal relay tab.
For those who have accomplished this successfully, is there something glaring wrong here?

 

[BillC72]

Look at this diagram and verify your wiring to the numbers. This should help.

 

[BillC72]

If you have a 5 pin relay it will have an 86a pin as well.....you will not use that one.

 

[corbox1]

Look at this diagram and verify your wiring to the numbers. This should help. View attachment 667794

The pictogram you just posted is different than the directions form a few years ago. I followed the steps below....

"(1) Relay installed under plastic on left side down low in a vacant hole in the steel plate. Attached the inline fuse 30A on the engine side on the same bolt.
(2) Ran the wire from pin 30 thru the inline fuse and attached at the bolt holding the battery positive to the starter.
(3) Ran the wire from pin 85 to ground. I attached to a bolt under the clutch area that holds a hydraulic line. (need a loop end here just like what is needed to attach at the starter.
(4) Unplugged the white plastic connector from the back side of the starter solenoid and cut it off along with a few inches of wire. Connected this white connector to the wire from pin 86 and plugs back to the solenoid.
(5) Take the cut wire that previously went to the solenoid and connect it going to pin 87 ."

Maybe I need to start over and re-do per your recent diagram?

Thanks for your help.

 

[corbox1]

Look at this diagram and verify your wiring to the numbers. This should help. View attachment 667794

Can someone explain this diagram to me in lay mans terms?

I have the NAPA solenoid installed & grounded. I am up to an embarrassing 10 clicks before she starts.

 

[mwayne]

Can someone explain this diagram to me in lay mans terms?

I have the NAPA solenoid installed & grounded. I am up to an embarrassing 10 clicks before she starts.

There appears to be a coil between 85 and 86. When electrical current flows through the coil it becomes magnetized which pulls in the red arm. This action connects 30 to 87. Pardon the crude sketch and hope this helps.

 

[mikegatherall]

Had intermittent start on our 5010hst and it was the small power supply lead from battery - the crimp on the spade terminal in the connector had corroded so that wire would occasionally make / break connection... Temp fix for now till I get proper terminal of another single wire block

 

[corbox1]

NAPA Auto Parts.
Relay no. AR276
Wire Harness EC23.
I put a 30A fuse holder in the wire from relay to the battery lead. Also buy a fuse because they dont come in the NAPA fuse holders.

Will send a photo later today.

This is a 5 wire relay but you only use 4 of them,

Follow the link I included on my previous post. IT has instructions if you read through the entire post.

Good luck

Any chance you can direct me to the link you reference above? I am still struggling with this click fix on my 3616. Thanks in advance.

 

[CarlEmil]

Re: DX 33 Starting Problem Fixed



The Napa relay I purchased shows part # AR276
I also purchased a plug with 4 wires that plug into the relay part EC23. You do have to make sure the 4 wires are in the position to contact pins 30, 85, 86, 87 (and not 87a)
There are detailed pictures on this site from Jsheds. For those interested a search under TC33DA-Starting problems will furnish good instructions. I basicly followed the instructions that others furnished on this site.
(1) Relay installed under plastic on left side down low in a vacant hole in the steel plate. Attached the inline fuse 30A on the engine side on the same bolt.
(2) Ran the wire from pin 30 thru the inline fuse and attached at the bolt holding the battery positive to the starter.
(3) Ran the wire from pin 85 to ground. I attached to a bolt under the clutch area that holds a hydraulic line. (need a loop end here just like what is needed to attach at the starter.
(4) Unplugged the white plastic connector from the back side of the starter solenoid and cut it off along with a few inches of wire. Connected this white connector to the wire from pin 86 and plugs back to the solenoid.
(5) Take the cut wire that previously went to the solenoid and connect it going to pin 87 .
I saved pictures and instructions on what others posted and printed them out for instructions to follow.

I have a Mahindra 3616 that had the starting problem for several years now. As it got older the starting problem got progressively worse. I followed the instructions for adding the relay and my starting problems have cleared. Thank you for posting this fix. There's something gratifying in being able to make a repair yourself. Once again, thank you. Also, someone posted the part numbers from NAPA that is needed. This too came in very handy.

 

[corbox1]

Still looking for help with the wiring of the relay. I have the NAPA relay mounted near the starter but don't know where the wires need to go. Does anyone who has actually accomplished this on a 3616 have pics or more detail that the wiring schematic previously posted?