20lb Propane tanks - Can you fill from your home tank?

   / 20lb Propane tanks - Can you fill from your home tank? #61  
====== Refilling the little 1-lb disposable tanks ========
======= (with Harbor Freight adapter) =========
======= "Propane Bottle Refill kit' Item 45989" ==========

I re-fill the little 1 lb (disposables) all the time. It costs about $1 in propane to fill them if you don't consider your time. New they are appx $3 so your pay for this effort is $2. But if your little cylinders run out, and you need it full, maybe it's more efficient than the effort to buy new ones. I have about 5 or 6 disposable cyls, I just "settle in" and fill them all.

I had to modify my brass adapter to get it to work, had to shorten the stem that depresses the schrader valve, screwed all the way into the cylinder, the seal couldn't engage (& seal) on some disposables. Mine was a "MrHeater" brand, same as HF but twice the price (probably same supplier) It was 5 years ago, maybe they've been refined.

The receiving cylinder should be as cold as possible. Use a nail to depress the schrader valve and purge it just before you screw it on. As mentioned above, freezing it makes a big difference. If your warm hands warm the 1-lb cylider less propane will transfer. The colder it is, the more will go inside.

Keep the large (20 lb) inside the house overnite or get it as warm as you feel comfortable doing. The donor cylinder should be as warm as reasonable.

I shake the 1 lb to guess how much is inside. If you shake a new one, you can guesstimate. They feel about 1/2 full of liquid, IIRC. Or you can weigh it if you wanna be safe, weigh empty, then add 1 lb propane. If you fill it (to what it will take) then freeze again, you can get more in it. It's common to have to do it 2x or 3x (cooling the receiving cyl in between) The number of times depends on what temp you are doing this at. This process works best when it's freezing outside or when there's a freezer nearby.

You should wear gloves, because if liquid propane blasts onto your skin it can freeze-burn your skin. If you unscrew it too soon, this can happen. Also gloves help to prevent your warm hands from warming the receiving cylinder.

The reason you wouldn't want to overfill it is because if it got hot the pressure could rise higher than the MFR wants, and at some point could explode. If you are not aware of the proper fill level perhaps you should be satisfied with half full.
 
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   / 20lb Propane tanks - Can you fill from your home tank? #62  
So wait. So many of you talk about using the bleed screw but that makes no sence. When you you even seen the guy at a propane filling station do that? I know I never have
 
   / 20lb Propane tanks - Can you fill from your home tank? #63  
I drove two propane vehicles and they both had a bleed screw. Now it makes me wonder why a propane tank is filled without it?

I bought an adapter to fill torch cylinders from the BBQ tank. I have either never got much of a fill despite freezing the torch cylinder, but worse lately, the valves won't close completely loosing every last bit of propane I put in there. Boy, was I pissed.
 
   / 20lb Propane tanks - Can you fill from your home tank? #64  
So wait. So many of you talk about using the bleed screw but that makes no sence. When you you even seen the guy at a propane filling station do that? I know I never have

They bleed pressure off, to be able to sell you more liquid propane. Their pump registers liquid. If they stopped without bleeding some gas off your tank is not full. Note that YOU pay for the gas they bleed, it allows them to squeeze more liquid in and make a bigger sale. But your tank becomes more full - which you may prefer (topped off). If they dont bleed, youre simply not topped off. The gas they waste (to top off the liquid) is a very small $ amount.
 
   / 20lb Propane tanks - Can you fill from your home tank? #65  
I drove my propane Malibu (Ex Police) car down to the Dayton Ham Vention one year. Got all the CAA info as to where the filling stations were. Most had never seen a propane car.

Anyway it was funny. There was a customer watching the fillup at one, and when the attendant opened that vent, the customer was GONE! I have seldom seen anyone run tht fast!

Anyway, about filling the torch cylinders. I got my adapter from Northern tools. When I started using the Schrader valve to release pressure, I started to have some success getting liquid in there. As per a Youtube video. The Schrader Valve is the tire type valve not the main fitting. Now, I don't remember which leaks afterwards. I crushed and disposed of all those torch cylinders after that.
 
   / 20lb Propane tanks - Can you fill from your home tank? #66  
Ive heard that venting is pretty moronic because a clothes static spark can ignite LP vapor which is many times more combustible than gas. And again ive never seen a professional vent a tank while filling and I've had hundreds of tanks filled.
Not trying to be an *** im just wondering what the real deal is on venting
 
   / 20lb Propane tanks - Can you fill from your home tank? #67  
Well, I have had hundreds of fillups and watched hundreds more of propane vehicles and every one was venting. During fill up, it's vapour and then it strarts to spew liquid, so you know you are full. The good operators would close it and keep filling for a while giving you more fuel and more range. The others would just stop pumping at that point.
 
   / 20lb Propane tanks - Can you fill from your home tank? #68  
I've filled hundreds of tanks, and vent every time... as everyone said, propane is filled in a tank as a liquid, it can phase change between gas and liquid readily but harder that way than liquid to gas... If filling unassisted (no pump) venting is nearly required as you want the pressure in the tank to be filled to be lower than that of the source tank. It is a pressure thing, if a pump is used it can most likely overcome the ~200psi in the tank, but there's no reason to try that hard...

Propane burns at a very specific air/fuel ratio, it's not near as scary as everyone thinks it is...
 
   / 20lb Propane tanks - Can you fill from your home tank? #69  
That is the real reason to vent on normal tanks, the vent tube is at the 75-80% fill point of the tank so there is 20-25% volume in the tank for expansion as a safety factor on the pressure rating of the tank.

If not venting and using the vent as the fill guide, the correct way is to fill the tank with a scale like you would a CO2 bottle (they do that for the same reason, CO2 is 700-1200psi, too full and the tank could burst)
 
   / 20lb Propane tanks - Can you fill from your home tank? #70  
They all had very heavy mits on hand, to manipulate that bleeder and filler coupling without getting frost bite.
 

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