My father just purchased a 2210 with loader and JD front snowblower. The dealer told him that no counterweight was necessary for either the loader or blower. I have a BX22 and know from experience that loader work of any kind without rear weight is DANGEROUS. So with the 2210, being similiar in size and weight, I find the JD dealers statement to be irresponsible at best. My father didn't listen to my opinions/experience so I'm hoping some of you can give some feedback for me to pass along before something undersirable happens.
2210 and counterweight
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MikePA
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<font color="blue"> So with the 2210, being similiar in size and weight, I find the JD dealers statement to be irresponsible at best.</font>
First, Welcome to TBN, Charley! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
While the size and weight of a tractor are important, the front to rear balance of the weight is probably moreso and this can vary from brand to brand and from model to model, within a brand.
For example, I have been able to lift full bucket loads of limestone without any rear weight, i.e., no wheel weights or filled tires, on my NH TC25D. While the backend gets lighter, and traction, if not in 4WD, is lessened, it's not anything I'd call dangerous. This depends, of course, what kind of ground I am on, plus I do not drive fast and I keep the bucket low and I go slow. So, I respectfully disagree with <font color="blue"> loader work of any kind without rear weight is DANGEROUS </font> as a blanket statement for all tractors and models.
I'd talk to the dealer and ask him why he is making such a statement. I can not imagine any dealer would recommend something that is both unsafe and will eliminate a sale of some weights. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
First, Welcome to TBN, Charley! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
While the size and weight of a tractor are important, the front to rear balance of the weight is probably moreso and this can vary from brand to brand and from model to model, within a brand.
For example, I have been able to lift full bucket loads of limestone without any rear weight, i.e., no wheel weights or filled tires, on my NH TC25D. While the backend gets lighter, and traction, if not in 4WD, is lessened, it's not anything I'd call dangerous. This depends, of course, what kind of ground I am on, plus I do not drive fast and I keep the bucket low and I go slow. So, I respectfully disagree with <font color="blue"> loader work of any kind without rear weight is DANGEROUS </font> as a blanket statement for all tractors and models.
I'd talk to the dealer and ask him why he is making such a statement. I can not imagine any dealer would recommend something that is both unsafe and will eliminate a sale of some weights. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
mhalla
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<font color="green">Charley,
The 210 FEL owners manual clearly states "DO NOT operate tractor/loader unless it is equipped with proper ballast."
Have your father read the manual.
Mike </font>
The 210 FEL owners manual clearly states "DO NOT operate tractor/loader unless it is equipped with proper ballast."
Have your father read the manual.
Mike </font>
wisconsinguy
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As an owner of a 2210 with loader, I and every other 2210 owner on here will tell him that some counter weight is required. If he doesn't believe you have him carefuly read his owners manuals, they spell out exactly how much ballast is required. I would go look it up but don't have much time right now but felt it improtant to say something before he goes out and tips his new tractor over.
later
Phil
As an owner of a 2210 with loader, I and every other 2210 owner on here will tell him that some counter weight is required. If he doesn't believe you have him carefuly read his owners manuals, they spell out exactly how much ballast is required. I would go look it up but don't have much time right now but felt it improtant to say something before he goes out and tips his new tractor over.
later
Phil
MikePA
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<font color="blue">The 210 FEL owners manual clearly states "DO NOT operate tractor/loader unless it is equipped with proper ballast." </font>
Given that this statement is in the manual, I'd take the manual to the dealer, show him this statement and ask him why the advice he gives contradicts what's in the manual.
Given that this statement is in the manual, I'd take the manual to the dealer, show him this statement and ask him why the advice he gives contradicts what's in the manual.
bigpete
Veteran Member
Your father's 2210 will need anywhere from 250 to 600 pounds of total combined ballast on the 3-point hitch and/or in the rear wheels for safe use of the loader. That depends, of course, on what is being done with the loader and what materials he intends to carry.
As far as the blower, he may be safe operating it without ballast, but he will certainly loose a considerable amount of effective weight, and hence traction, on the rear wheels.
Which employee at the dealer gave you the misinformation? I'm not sure it would be constructive to confront the employee, but I'm sure the dealership owner or GM would appreciate knowing that his employee(s) is giving unsafe advice to new tractor owners. If your father wants some credible verification, have him pick up the phone and call JD Customer Service. 1-800-537-8233
As far as the blower, he may be safe operating it without ballast, but he will certainly loose a considerable amount of effective weight, and hence traction, on the rear wheels.
Which employee at the dealer gave you the misinformation? I'm not sure it would be constructive to confront the employee, but I'm sure the dealership owner or GM would appreciate knowing that his employee(s) is giving unsafe advice to new tractor owners. If your father wants some credible verification, have him pick up the phone and call JD Customer Service. 1-800-537-8233
bmclernon
New member
Does the operator's weight count as part of the equation when determining how much counter weight is required for the FEL?
My new 2210 is being delivered next week. When I placed the order the dealer did not mention counter weight. I'm a big guy, my weight is on the far side of 300 lbs.
My new 2210 is being delivered next week. When I placed the order the dealer did not mention counter weight. I'm a big guy, my weight is on the far side of 300 lbs.
Hambone
Platinum Member
My ballast box came with the FEL. No questions were even asked to me. A must is what the dealer said. The owners manual confirms this. I also confirm after using.
One thing the dealer said also that I thought was interesting.
Using FEL without ballast will cause front axle damage i.e. bearing failure at wheels. Not designed to have that much weight, the ballast box I have filled with sand works very well.
One thing the dealer said also that I thought was interesting.
Using FEL without ballast will cause front axle damage i.e. bearing failure at wheels. Not designed to have that much weight, the ballast box I have filled with sand works very well.
art
Super Member
I as a dealer respect and enjoy these boards. I do hope, but I can never be to sure what one of our sales staff might tell someone when purchasing a tractor. I can only hope to think that to do wrong they would rather not give false information but take the chance that it would loose the sale. The owners manual says it all.
Hambone
Platinum Member
That was a good post Art.
Very well said.
Very well said.
