Thanks STVMAN, it's what I was trying to say. Our definitions of creep were not clearly defined. I describe the failure of the hydro pedals to return to the neutral position as walking and creep something that happens when the pedals are in neutral whether the engine is running or not as you have explained. While my tractor creeps a little, it is small enough to where when mowing backwards down the steep banks of my pond, I have plenty of time to react and change direction. Conversely, my manual tractor requires intense braking while backing down. I already have it in forward and low gear with the clutch in just in case. This difficulty has prompted me to pretty much forgo the manual for that type of work. Rat...