2210 smokes on startup

Docsknotinn · Oct 4, 2004

For the first 80 hours or so mine would smoke noticealy on start up. As far as changing your oil IMO you should do it when ever you are comfortable with it. It's your machine so enjoy it your way. I changed to synthetic at 30 hours. You will NOT glaze your cylinder walls or harm your engine in any way by switching to synthetic sooner. Just make certain you are using Diesel rated synthetic. Your oil will still get black with a synthetic. The 2210 needs the oil changed FAR more often than the manufactures suggestion IMO due to the fact that it only contains 2 quarts of oil. The debate about switching to synthetic is full of tall tales. Porsche and others now come from the factory with synthetics. I believe all diesels emit some smoke on start up. As previously mentioned warm up is a good thing. If you hear knocking as you accelerate you probably need another minute of warm up. Mine only takes 3-4 minutes in normal weather, 10 in the dead of winter. I'm still wondering how those Porches ever break in with synthetic ? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
I guess they just run forever ! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

BillyP · Oct 4, 2004

ie, if the PTO is engaged at PTO rpm 

I'm not sure what I read is what you meant to say but you shouldn't engage the PTO at PTO rated speed. The PTO should be engaged at a much lower RPM. Somewhere a little above idle. This makes it easier on belts, clutches, shafts and so on.

JDFANATIC · Oct 5, 2004

Billy,

You're probably right. Usually I engage the PTO around 2000 rpm and then bring it up to 2900. But occasionally I might disengage it while cutting and then move to another location and forget to lower the rpm to re-engage it. That is when I've noticed a puff of smoke for a second or two.

Dutch445 · Oct 5, 2004

If the engine is cold, and the weather is starting to get cold, one thing to try to help when starting is using the preheater. If you use the preheater you may notice less smoke when starting cold, and an easier start also. The 2210 has a unique way to use the preheater though, because it only preheats in the "crank" position of your keyswitch. I tell customers to move your shift lever into high or low range, then turn the key to start, it wont' start, but you will notice the dash lights dim slightly, as the preheater is drawing voltage. Let it warm up 20, 30 seconds, and then slide the shift lever back into neutral, and start the tractor. That should help it start quicker, less crank time, and less smoke.
This is the same system on the 4010, 4110, and 4115, but most people don't realize how their preheater works.
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Cliff_Johns · Oct 5, 2004

( I tell customers to move your shift lever into high or low range, then turn the key to start, it wont' start, but you will notice the dash lights dim slightly, as the preheater is drawing voltage. Let it warm up 20, 30 seconds, and then slide the shift lever back into neutral, and start the tractor. That should help it start quicker, less crank time, and less smoke. )

Thanks for that tip. Most helpful. I'll try that on my 4110 as it gets colder.
Cliff

horseman1 · Oct 5, 2004

Man, you guys really know your stuff. I feel I understand this much better now. I'll try the pre-heater tip tonight when I fire it up to clean up in the back pasture. Lots of good advise here. I wonder if I could get breakin oil at the dealer, then I could change the oil and still have the breakin oil for the next 14 hours (I put 6 more on it this weekend). Otherwise, I'll just wait until 50, since I'm getting there pretty quick /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif. I usually do my own maintenance on everything I own, but I have never had a diesel before.

Thanks,

Kurt

JDFANATIC · Oct 5, 2004

Funny,

The 2210's owner's manual doesn't say anything about a glow plug or preheater. My dealer told me about it, and when I put it in gear and turned the key one notch it did nothing. Anyhow it was spring/summer and what did I care. Yesterday I tried it again (it's getting colder here in N.E.) and for whatever reason turned the key another notch as if I were starting the tractor. The lights went on and then dimmed and the tractor started much better. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

MikeFromVA · Oct 5, 2004

Dutch, great hint - is that hidden in the manual somewhere? Also, you say to do this for 20-30 seconds - any problem with draining the battery?

Docsknotinn · Oct 5, 2004

I never had any extra draw on my battery and I used that trick all last winter after reading it here. I also agree completely with what another poster said about DFA. I never add fuel with out it any more. The noise reduction alone makes it worth it.

JD2210MAN · Oct 6, 2004

Hello All,

No, Glow Plugs are absolutely not in the owners manual. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
When I purchased my 2210 I could not wait and read the owners manual, I read it on line before the tractor was even delivered. So when it came time to go back to the dealer, to sign the final paper, I asked him if it had Glow Plugs because they are shown in the schematics on JDParts.
They said Deere never even told the dealership how the Glow Plugs are activated. They had to figure it out themselves. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

( I tell customers to move your shift lever into high or low range, then turn the key to start, it wont' start, but you will notice the dash lights dim slightly, as the preheater is drawing voltage. Let it warm up 20, 30 seconds, and then slide the shift lever back into neutral, and start the tractor. That should help it start quicker, less crank time, and less smoke. )

As for smoke... in the summer it starts with a little black smoke (I have 49 hrs today, it has not changed since hour 1). Here in Vermont the temp goes down to 40 to 60 at night in August, when it does... it's 1st start up (in the morning) has a bit more smoke but if the 1st start is at noon in 80 degree temps... there is almost no smoke. Now that it has been below freezing, I am back to using the glow plugs for 20 seconds or it will barely run for the 1st 40 seconds (and of course lots of black smoke). As the temp gets lower (-20) I expect to be using the engine heater (block heater) for an hour AND use the Glow Plugs as usual. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Re-starts done with-in an hour, in most weather, are usually smoke free. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

I'll have to look into the fuel additive. This is the 1st I am hearing about it. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif