2210 smokes on startup

fgross335_2210 · Oct 25, 2004

What I do find interesting though about transporting to and from the dealer is that Deere DOES cover this in their extended warranty - but not in the OEM warranty - just got the offer in the mail on my 2210.

Of course, after seeing the price for the warranty (over $2000) I'll just continue to do routine maintenance on this little beast myself and the eventual savings will not only pay for any dealer repairs, but also possibly for the trailer I will need to purchase to move it back and forth. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

trlong · Oct 26, 2004

Dutch,

Thank you, again, for your great info. Although my 4115 rarely smokes much at all (180 hr.s now since June), the weather is turning colder. So, I will take the advice to use the pre-heater. I had my owner's manual for a week before they were able to deliver the tractor and I read it cover to cover (and several times since as I do my own maintenace as much as possible). I recall nothing mentioned regarding pre-heater.

I wonder if J.D. thinks that the safety checks (turn key to start while not on seat, then in gear, then with PTO on...) are likely to be performed every time you start up....thereby engaging the "pre-heat" sufficiently? If just an oversight on J.D.'s part, they should send out a note to owners, explaining what you have explained.

Again, these forums are a treasure for a novice, such as myself.

Thanks,...Tom

"Once I had money, now I have a tractor"

J.D. 4115, 410 FEL, 46 BH, 60" Mower, 47" Snow Blower, 60" R. Blade, I-Match, 3' Cyl Splitter for good measure /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

jd4115 · Oct 26, 2004

On the 4115, the preheater comes on automatically when you turn the key from off to run. If you watch carefully, you can see the panel lights dim for just a second or three. Then I turn the key to the start position.

I've never had an engine start so quickly!

Dutch445 · Oct 26, 2004

Tom,
I'd be willing to bet that they just think the heater is sufficient as long as it's on while cranking. Not really sure.

and i had to answer this post today,, i think it's my 100th post... do i get a watch or something??

trlong · Oct 28, 2004

JD4115,

Thanks for the tip. You are absolutely correct. The dimming can be easily observed if one knows to look for it. And, as for the starting....the 4115's are almost scary how fast they start. I have heard some concerns as to whether that fast a start allows enough lubrication to occur.

Thanks again,

Tom

trlong · Oct 28, 2004

Dutch,

It appears the short duration pre-heating is sufficient as (previously stated) very little smoke and these 4115's start amazingly fast.

Congratulations on your 100th post. You should get a watch. I've got one you can have but, it's only right twice a day /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Cliff_Johns · Oct 28, 2004

( Congratulations on your 100th post. You should get a watch. I've got one you can have but, it's only right twice a day /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif )

Not to go too far off topic, but that watch could be right three times in one day on Monday depending on what time it's set for.

Cliff

Dutch445 · Oct 29, 2004

a new watch huh,
2 years ago my wife asked me what I wanted for father's day. My watch had broken, and I let her know that. but, no i never saw a watch.
in 3 weeks the divorce will be final.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

could have boughten lots of watches!
/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

GreenDeerJohn · Nov 11, 2004

( ie, if the PTO is engaged at PTO rpm 

I'm not sure what I read is what you meant to say but you shouldn't engage the PTO at PTO rated speed. The PTO should be engaged at a much lower RPM. Somewhere a little above idle. This makes it easier on belts, clutches, shafts and so on. )

Billy,

A suggestion about PTO engagement. The PTO clutches on our machines use hydraulic pressure to engage the clutch plates. If the machine is at low RPM when you engage the PTO, you may be slipping the internal clutch plates do to low hydraulic pressure. I know I ready this in my old 445 manual somewhere, and the 2210 hydrostat is similar.

I recommend running the RPMs up to ~2000, engage the PTO, then run it up to your working RPM. You can disengage the PTO at any speed above the ~2000 RPM, but I would not pull it back to idle and then disengage. Again, the hydraulic system pressure is used to apply the PTO brake when disengaged. This makes create excessive wear on the PTO brake, and things may still be spinning when you hop off the machine.

Hope this helps.

John

bigpete · Nov 12, 2004

Something in my gut has me running the RPMs on my 4110 (and previously my 2210) to 1600-2000 RPMs to engage the PTO with the MMM. With my long-since retired 445, the owners manual, and common advice, specified WOT (wide open throttle) to engage the PTO for the MMM. In my mind, it's a 3-cylinder diesel versus a two-cylinder, fuel-injected gas Kawasaki in the 445 (not that there's anything wrong with that... /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif)