2210 vs 4110

GONO2 · Apr 22, 2003

I am going this week to get prices on the above with tiller, box blade, and FEL. What are the advantages/disadvantages of these two models compared to each other? My main dislike on the 2210 is no folding ROPS although I'm sure I could come up with something. The new unit will be used for mowing and general maintanence my little 5 acres. How much price difference in tractor (4110 will be HST) with equipment listed should I see? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Thanks for any and all help!

Anonymous Poster · Apr 22, 2003

GONO2,

Typically you will see the 4010 and the 2210 priced close to each other. When I was looking, it cost another $1500-$2000 to go to the 4110. My dealer screwed up and forgot to give me $1200 in discounts--if he had I would have gone with the 4110.

The 2210 is about the same weight as the 4010 (slightly less than the 4110) and has more horsepower than either the 4110 or the 4010. Either the 4010 or the 4110 will have greater capacity with the FEL. The 2210 will put more power to the PTO, but you are limited as to how high the 3 point will lift so you will be more limited as to what size attachments you can use (notice I didn't say type of attachments, but size).

Here is an example--last night I tilled up an area of my land measuring about 80 feet wide by 150 feet long. This land was probably a pasture at one time because I had mounds that were 2.5 feet tall scattered all over the land. I have a 50 inch mechanical tiller and I was maxing out the 3 point height to get the tiller over the mounds in order to "grind" them down to the point where I could use the tiller in a more conventional method. With the 2210, I doubt I could have done what I was capable of doing with the 4010 due to the limited 3 point. Also--I never ran out of power while breaking up some pretty nasty stuff.

My point is not to get you to buy the 4010/4110 over the 2210, but think hard about why your buying the machine and it should help you decide what will fit you best. I am very happy with the 4010, but the 4110 is not much bigger so if you can swing the extra cost for the added HP--I would do it.

You are wise to look at folding ROPs--I would have to trim some of my trees very high in order to cut near them with the ROPs up. Where I mow is very flat so I am not concerned about rollover. If your land is hilly, you may never want the ROPs down.

Just my long winded $.02.

Good Luck

Bob

herbenus · Apr 22, 2003

A good starting point would be John Deere's website. They have an "equipment configurator" that will give you list prices. Second you can check the forum's here for recent postings to see what people have paid. This will get you a good start. If I did this right, below is a link to website. I'm interested in responses as I will be making the same choice in the next year.

http://configurator.deere.com

GONO2 · Apr 22, 2003

I have looked at retail prices for both on the deere site. The problem is although I can see difference in tractors, they use a different loader as well. That's where I can't see the prices. What Bob is saying is the info I am looking for. I want to know the advantages and or disadvantages for each. I bought a 2002 335 last spring, but really wish I had gone ahead then with the tractor purchase. Now I have to sell or trade it on the new setup. I want to be sure I am buying the right machine this time /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

GONO2 · Apr 22, 2003

Sorry - I can see loader price difference. Now I just need to be convinced which one is right for me?

prosperity · Apr 22, 2003

Just thought I'd add my .02.
I just ordered a 2210.
You have to look at what you're going to do with the machine. My use is primarily finish mowing, and a lot of it. It will also be used for snow removal for an 800' gravel drive with hill.
While I like the design and the extra hydraulics of the 4010, The added horsepower of the 2210 swayed me in that direction. The 4010 is 14 PTO HP where the 2210 is 17.7 PTO HP. In my eyes to turn a 62" deck you can benefit with more PTO HP. When I mow, I want to be able to move along.
Now.....if you are going to use a loader a lot with heavy lifting, and you're going to use a variety of 3 point hitch attachments, then maybe the 4010 would be more suited to you.
With the 2210 I have the option of adding a loader, and the use of most 3 point attachments.

It's all a trade off. The 2 tractors are so similar in so many ways it makes for a tough decision. Think of what you'll be using it for most.

JimD · Apr 23, 2003

I feel your pain!! I was in you place for about a year, I was looking at all models around 25hp from the 3 big manufacturers.
I finaly purchased a 2210 w/ loader, mmm & rmb. This tractor fit my needs very well. The other tractors i looked at outfitted with the same equipment were priced out of site compaired to the 2210.. You will be happy with either choice you make.
One more comment for you, another selling point for me was the size and weight of the 2210 over the larger frame models. In the spring of the year when the ground is a little soft the lighter tractor will not leave the big ruts in the lawn.

Lots of luck...

Anonymous Poster · Apr 23, 2003

GONO2,

Here's a couple additional items you may want to consider. I was on my way out the door yesterday and did not have time to post.

If you are comparing the 2210 and the 4010, I think you there is the definite need to look real hard at your future tasks. As mentioned, the 2210 has more PTO HP with less capacity (weight and height) on the 3 point and the FEL. So if I was deciding between the 4010 and the 2210 and I had a lot of mowing (maybe even break mowing down to include bushhogging as the additional PTO power would come in handy for this appplication) and snowblowing and less FEL and 3 point work, I would tend to look at the 2210.

I mow about 2 of my 7 acres and I have the 54 inch deck. I have never even had the engine slow down when mowing and I use my setup to boxblade my 500 foot driveway and I tend to use the tiller and FEL quite a bit. So for me, if I was doing it all over again and had to pick between the 2210 and the 4010, I would still go with the 4010.

Since your post was really comparing the 2210 and the 4110, I will throw this additional info out:

While the 2210 has 23 HP, it runs at 3000 rpm to develope 17.7 PTO HP. The 4110 has a 20 HP engine that developes 17 PTO HP when running at 2650 rpm. If you are really looking hard between the 2210 and the 4110, then in my mind (and I've been wrong before--just ask my wife), the 4110 is more machine in every category except engine HP. When you add the fact that the 4110 developes it's peak HP at a lower rpm, that would be more than enough to offset the 3 HP difference.

Hope this info helps and does not make your decision more difficult.

I doubt you would be unhappy with any of the 3 machines.

Good Luck

Bob

snAKes · Apr 23, 2003

I just brought my 4010 home after going through these same decision points.

Bob_In_MN summarized it very well. In my case the total package difference was about $500 more for the 4010 which seemed like more of a tractor. The capacity of the FEL was a selling point.

Another selling point for me was the dual brakes. Sometimes it's nice to be able to use the "inside" brake to help turn the tractor around, and the 2210 doesn't have this feature.

A third point was that with the 4010 I could add auxilliary rear hydraulics, and it wasn't available for the 2210.

Also, the 4010 has a tachometer and the 2210 doesn't.

A disadvantage of the 4010 for me was the height adjustment for the mid-mount mower, but this shouldn't be an issue since it's not on your option list.

I'll try to attach a picture, since 4010 pictures seem hard to find! Good luck with your purchase.

GONO2 · Apr 23, 2003

I left the mid mount mower off by accident - it will be included in purchase. I will be using this for mowing about 3 acres. What is the story with height adjustment on mid-mount mower on the 4000Ten series?

Anonymous Poster · Apr 23, 2003

My 2210 does have a tach on it.

Bob in Mn is correct. The 4010 is "more machine", but the question becomes "Do you need it?" The 2210 is more or less designed to be primarily for mowing with some lighter loader and landscaping work than the 4010. The 4010 is just the opposite. For what I'm doing, the 2210 is plenty big enough for yard. Just my opinion.

mhalla · Apr 23, 2003

Re: 2210 vs 4110 - tachometer

My 2210 has a tachometer. snAKes were you thinking about the lack of another gauge on the 2210 such as oil pressure?

snAKes · Apr 24, 2003

Re: 2210 vs 4110 - tachometer

Sorry if that was incorrect - The dealer told me the 2210 didn't have a tachometer and I thought I looked at it but may have taken his word.

snAKes · Apr 24, 2003

I think there are some other threads on this, but in short the 4010 doesn't have the same graduated rockshaft lever (for 3 point hitch & MMM) with numbers on it that that other TEN series have. It just has up & down, and when you pull it back to the center detent position it stays where it currently is.

The 2210 has a dial to set the height.

I'm unable to give you too many details, because I only received my 4010/MMM/FEL yesterday! I just wanted to bring that up so you could research it before you buy.

Since this is how the mid-mount mower raises and lowers, my concern is that with the 4010 you won't be able to get the blade back to the same height after you move it.

My dealer researched it and on the MMM there are adjustments for the front gage wheel (60" mower) and front & back anti-scalp wheels (54" mower). I guess you just lower it until it floats with these wheels. However the manual suggests that this may not be the best way to achieve the most level cut.

Also you will want the kit that holds the MMM up if you want to use the 3 point hitch for other things and not take the mower deck off. Othewise when you put the 3 point hitch implement down, the mower goes down too. The mower deck does remove quite easily, however. I took mine off yesterday to do some heavy grading.

If anyone else has experience with this, please share.

Anonymous Poster · Apr 24, 2003

snAKes,

I cut a piece of wood at the height I like my lawn and use it to set the deck height before I mow.

Regarding the mmm kit--I was under the impression that you could adjust the kit so that the mower lowered to a certain height--esentially using the kit to set the mowing height. My dealer didn't even know the kit existed, so who knows if he was correct about the kit's adjustability. Maybe someone who bought the kit can address this.

Bob

GONO2 · Apr 24, 2003

I'm looking at the 4110 not 4010. Is the height adjustment issue with the 4110 as well?

GONO2 · Apr 24, 2003

Stopped at dealer today - 2210 coming off truck while I was there - he has FEL in stock, but no 62C deck. Will call me with a price in the AM. I was shocked, very nice looking tractor. He also had a 4115 he is getting me a price on. oing to be a big difference though. I was impressed with the 2210. We shall see.......

Anonymous Poster · Apr 24, 2003

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The 2210 has a dial to set the height.

Since this is how the mid-mount mower raises and lowers, my concern is that with the 4010 you won't be able to get the blade back to the same height after you move it.

My dealer researched it and on the MMM there are adjustments for the front gage wheel (60" mower) and front & back anti-scalp wheels (54" mower). I guess you just lower it until it floats with these wheels. However the manual suggests that this may not be the best way to achieve the most level cut.

Also you will want the kit that holds the MMM up if you want to use the 3 point hitch for other things and not take the mower deck off. Othewise when you put the 3 point hitch implement down, the mower goes down too. The mower deck does remove quite easily, however. I took mine off yesterday to do some heavy grading.

If anyone else has experience with this, please share. )

per the 2210:
The dial does exactly what you said it does, adjust's the hieght of the deck (how far it will drop) You can also lock the deck up by turning the knob to "lock" so you can use the 3ph without the deck moving up and down. There is no other kit to purchase.

Anonymous Poster · Apr 25, 2003

4115 with FEL and MMM will probably be in the $16,500 range (that's what I was quoted).

snAKes · Apr 25, 2003

GONO2,

All of the other TEN series (including the 4110) have a nice graduated lever for adjusting the MMM and 3pt hitch height. It has numbers and even a handy adjustable stop so you can raise/lower it to the same height every time. Unfortunately they left that off of the 4010 :-(

I wonder if it could be retro-fitted...