2305 v. 2720

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jcmseven

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Fellow Posters:

Well, year end bonus time has come and I have decided to put some of my hard earned bonus money into a new tractor, perhaps as early as the first of the year. As a quick reminder to those who might not recall, I have owned several JD's over the years, including a 595, 4310, 3720 (times two) and a 4520. I have never owned a 2000 series tractor, or one of that size. My dealer, who is also a close, long-time friend steered me more to the larger machines mentioning that they were more for the money than the now 2000 series tractors (I was originally looking at a 4115). I sold my second 3720 about eight months ago. It was a great tractor and I really enjoyed using it. The only reasons I sold it were: it was too big to access a large chunk of my property; I did not feel confident using it on some of my steep, soft hillsides; it was hard to pop on the trailer and haul; and it took up too much valuable garage space. In short it was too big, although I liked using my loader and felt it was a solid machine. I have a Gator XUV also and I use it quite a lot, making the need for a large tractor less. My only current usage potential for a tractor now is some mild loader work (mulch, etc.), box blading my 300' long driveway which is quite steep, occasional snowplowing, and mowing for my parents (about three acres). My dealer is letting me try out a 2305. So far, it has seemed satisfactory but I have not yet made a decision. My initial thoughts are as follows: it has good engine power for its size; the loader is pretty slow compared with what I have had; it does not pull a BB2048 very well but will; it is very manuverable and I can access many of the places I could not before; it is a snap to load and haul around; and I feel more confident on the hillsides with it. It is might little though and I notice that it is not the tractor I am used to (with all due respect). I have thought about pricing out a 2720, but it will be a good bit more expensive, I am sure. My question is to those who might have insight as to whether the 2720 would offer more "big tractor" performance without compromising those "little tractor" things I am wanting, and whether the several thousand dollar premium is worth it for someone who uses such a machine in limited fashion??? I have thought also about the 2320, but have reservations about a 24 hp engine in a tractor it that weight with only two ranges with my hills. The 2305 struggles to climb my drive in high range in transport (no engaged attachments) and I cannot imagine that getting better with a 2320--plus I do not think the loader would be any faster either. Thanks.

John M
 
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I think I would look at the 2520 due to costs and the need for the HP. The 2x20 machines have more hydraulic power than the 2305, and you would notice it doing loader work. Resale of the 2x20 would be better IMHO. The 2305 is a nice machine, but the 2x20 machines seem more capable.
 
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I have a 2520 that I am thinking about selling. Nice sized tractor with many attachments, but since I downsized to 3 acres of mowable lawn I am thinkg of something smaller. The 2520 is a great machine for the money.
 
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I THINK if I were going to a larger 2000 series machine I would likely go full bore with the 2720. Where I live, I seek the most horsepower I can get for a given frame size. Of all the JD compacts, the line I have the least experience with is the 2000 series. I have a good knowledge of the 3 and 4000 series machines. I have been guilty of getting in the trap of too much machine for my needs and I really want to avoid that this time. There is no doubt that the 2305 would do about 90% of my daily needs, but I worry that the remaining 10% it won't do would frustrate me.

John M
 
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John, just get the 2720.........you should know yourself well enough by now to know you'll not keep it long before you trade again. There's not a tractor made that will do 100% of what you need.

Sincerely, Dirt
 
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as an owner of a 2305, if I had it to do over again...and I may just trade up, I'd get the 2520. like you said, the little beast has tons of power for what it is, but it has it's flaws. glad you mentioned the box blade as I'm ready to get one. that may just push me over the edge on the trade up. as for mowing, the danged belly mower is aggrevating to puto on and take off, sometimes twice a day and must be removed for loader work and ground engagement, my thoughts have been trade up to a 2520 and get a dedicated mower...been looking at a gt235 my dealer has for way less than the cost of a 62d.
 
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John, glad to hear you've "winnowed" the wheat from the chaff and settled in on just 2 models.

I'm with Dirt on this one... get the 2720. And a rear mount finish mower. Much easier to hook up and disconnect without messin' with the FEL.

Can hardly wait to see the pics!

Best of luck.

AKfish
 
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Just my two cents: If I had hilly terrain, I probably wouldn't have bought the 2320 with the gearing the way it is. In fact while I was at the dealer signing the papers, there was a guy there wanting to bring his 2320 back. He had many hills and couldn't do much of anything on them unless in low range. Good Luck in your quest.
 
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Dirt and others,

Thanks for the advice. Dirt, you make a good point, I do like to trade. Interestingly though, I really don't like to trade that much. I think why I got into the trading mess was that I upgraded to a machine that was too large for me to begin with. My friend, the dealer, was really trying to give me good advice at the time. Then, the 4115 was extremely close in price to the 4310 and by going larger than my original intent I was sent on a spiral of tractor purchases. Interestingly, now almost five years later, I am back where I started--looking at a machine the size of a 4115. Perhaps I should have let me intuition rule then v. talking myself into something I truly did not need.

John M
 
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as an owner of a 2305, if I had it to do over again...and I may just trade up, I'd get the 2520. like you said, the little beast has tons of power for what it is, but it has it's flaws. glad you mentioned the box blade as I'm ready to get one. that may just push me over the edge on the trade up. as for mowing, the danged belly mower is aggrevating to puto on and take off, sometimes twice a day and must be removed for loader work and ground engagement, my thoughts have been trade up to a 2520 and get a dedicated mower...been looking at a gt235 my dealer has for way less than the cost of a 62d.

Jim:

If you really want a treat, try putting the belly mower on and off the 3x20 series. :O)
(Doesn't even go up as high as the 62C on the 2305 so you NEED to take it off otherwise risk beating that 3K deck up.). Is so much of a pain in the ***** that after spending about 3k on the 72"MMM I now mow (on the 3720) with an 84"RFM and only use the 72"MMM for leaf collection. :) The 62C on the 2305 is a snap compared to those.
(I have a 2305 and a 3720).

Go for the 2720, you know you want to..... ;) I love my 2305 and I'm more impressed with things it does than I am the 3720 does for it's size. I don't mean that in a bad way, the 3720 does everything I ask of it, the difference is "I expect it to do those things" ;) The 2305 time and time again has left me with "I don't believe it did that" when I try things that in the back of my head I really don't expect it to be able to lift/pull/dig. In particular for pulling, snowblowing, etc. I've pulled a 6' grader blade with it, snowblowed, pulled down small trees, have a BH6000 backhoe on it, etc. It's 'wicked' stable and get's pretty good traction. It's an amazing little machine.

That said, the slow hydraulics comments are right on. If you will be doing a LOT of loader work you'll appreciate the faster hydraulics of the 23/25/2720. Also, they lift more due to higher PSI in the hydraulic system even though they use the same loader. If ground clearance is an issue you'll also want the 23/25/2720.

What would push me over the edge and have me buying a 2720 tomorrow (Trading in the 2305)
is if they offered a CAB. I suspect one may come someday. After having a cab on the 3720 there is nothing like it.

My .02.
 
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I have a 2520 and for the most part I've been very pleased with it's performance. Good power for its size; doesn't weight too much (relatively speaking) and its big enought to handle decent size jobs, but small enough to get into tight places. The only thing I don't like is the 2-range hydro trans. While "Low" is a great all-around range, "High" is too "high" for things like climbing steep hills (engine starts to bog), etc. A nice "mid" range setting would a great improvement. Also, a cab would awesome.

Ryan
 
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I think you might find the 2x20 size machines a nice compromise - small enough to get into tighter spaces, but big enough to handle chores better than a subcompact can.

One question is: why not consider a similar sized machine from a different mfr that has a 3 range hydro? In my opinion, JD really missed the boat with the 2 range hydro on the 2720. That pretty much sealed the deal for me when I chose my machine, and JD took itself right out of the running when comparing to similar machines.

I've had well built JD's in years past, but I am very happy with my 3 range 30hp Kubota compact. I know that 2 range hydro would have been cursed on a regular basis. I even had wished for a 3 range on my subcompact at times.
 
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bandit,

You make a good point. In fact, I posted something last year about my displeasure JD did not offer a 3 speed in its line in this size--especially for the price. I like the Kubota and have looked at one as a dealer is less than two miles from my parents' mountain place. In the end though, I suppose it goes back to my dealer relationship. I have known my dealer since way before he was a dealer and I know it would hurt him knowing I went to another brand. Working with him has gotten me some "perks" also I doubt I could duplicate with another brand. This is the main reason I am likely to stick with green here.

John M
 
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bandit,

In fact, I posted something last year about my displeasure JD did not offer a 3 speed in its line in this size--especially for the price.
John M


See if you can get a demo on your property. It may not be a factor. Its not for me.

If it is and will always bother you, get the kubota. There is nothing worse than putting up with something you dont have to.
 
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I think you might find the 2x20 size machines a nice compromise - small enough to get into tighter spaces, but big enough to handle chores better than a subcompact can.

One question is: why not consider a similar sized machine from a different mfr that has a 3 range hydro? In my opinion, JD really missed the boat with the 2 range hydro on the 2720. That pretty much sealed the deal for me when I chose my machine, and JD took itself right out of the running when comparing to similar machines.

I've had well built JD's in years past, but I am very happy with my 3 range 30hp Kubota compact. I know that 2 range hydro would have been cursed on a regular basis. I even had wished for a 3 range on my subcompact at times.

Although I really like my 2520, if I was in the market for another machine and didn't need a backhoe attachment, I'd probably opt for a B3030 cab model.
 
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thendricks,

I appreciate your suggestion. In fact, my dealer now has a 2320 JD for me to try out next. If that machine is not able to handle the hills, he is going to procure a 2720 for me to try. I do not know if I can get a Kubota to try but I might if I am not satisfied with my JD options. I am really trying this time not to make the mistake of buying a machine that does not fit my needs. I have enjoyed every JD tractor I have had, but having overbought in the past I am trying to be practical, while getting a machine with which I would be happy. For me, three ranges is not essential, provided I have a machine that can climb my hills without having to constantly resort to the lowest gearing. This is why the 2720 seems appealing due to its high power to weight ratio, but it is on the verge of what I would like to spend for a machine mainly to box blade my driveway and do some mowing for mom and dad. With my Gator, I do not do as much transport work with my tractor anymore, so I do not need something that will go 18+mph, just something that can hold its speed well running over some pretty steep areas.

John M
 
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John, it'll be interesting to hear how the 2720 handles your hills. Got lot's of hp packed into that small frame...

Like to hear your thoughts after a trial run. Thanks.

AKfish
 
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I have had a 2520 for 3 years now and over 200 hours. I can tell you that it struggles going up my drive in high range, especially with a load in the bucket. Now, keep in mind that I also have the extra weight of filled tires. No problem in low range. I can use high range effectively going down the drive,:)

Overall, I do like this machine as it is easy to jump on and go. I upgraded to a 110 for heavier jobs and kept the 2520 for lighter duties. I would think that the extra power in the 2720 would help some, but I think high range is still out for attempting up hill at speed unless there is no extra weight. But, no weight may mean less stability on the hills. I think even the 110 needs to stay out of high going up hill, although I haven't used it enough to say for sure....
 
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John,

I went through the same thing in the spring. I was really intent on buying a JD2320. The JD dealer in my area is just down the road, and was always excellent to deal with. First rate all the way. My problem was a large hill that I mow in my yard. Because the principle use of the tractor was going to be mowing, I needed a tractor that would mow the hill. The two speed hydro on the JD was a real problem as the tractor could not mow any sort of incline in high gear. Low gear was actually slower than my old Craftsman garden tractor! I wasn't prepared to spend all that money, only to have to spend more time mowing. That's why I decided to go with the Kubota B2620. The three range hydro was the reason I went with the Kubota. The mid range speed is perfect for just about everything, including mowing a very steep hill. The Kubota has been excellent. The JD has some premium features that the base Kubota does not, but nothing that I can't live without - plus the Kubota was a lot less expensive. All in all, I'm very pleased that I went with the Kubota.

JD would have gotten my business had it decided to put a three speed hydro on the 2720. It's essential for me.
 
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John,

I have a 2520, and agree with the general consensus that high range isn't very useful. In my opinion, even if it had the power for running the mower on the hills in high range, I wouldn't use it because it's too fast. I realize that you can feather the hydro, but I would hate to have to keep doing that all the time.

For my purposes, I just wish the high range was geared lower, like starting about halfway up the low range. Don't really need a lot of top speed, but a little more usable speed for loader activities would be good. As it is, I find myself having to shift to low range to have enough power to get a load in the bucket, then, having to shift to high range for the trip to whereever I'm moving the load to (if it's any significant distance).

As for mowing, my property is rough and hilly, so mowing any faster than what I can get out of low range would be very uncomfortable. For this reason, the gearing works OK for me, but as mentioned, I'd like to see the high range geared lower to overlap the low range more.

Best of luck with your decision.
 

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