2nd Cutting Finished - North Texas

   / 2nd Cutting Finished - North Texas #21  
I wish I had markets like that! Ever since the beef exporting fell apart there has been a surplus of hay available here.
 
   / 2nd Cutting Finished - North Texas #22  
Ken
You must be too far removed from New England? I know theres a (at least there was not too many yrs ago) huge amt of CDN hay that comes over the border into that general area. My daughter was barn manager for a couple boarding stables in NH and they were always in search of hay. On many occasions theyd have to order a truck load from up N. Guess you must have looked into that market?
 
   / 2nd Cutting Finished - North Texas
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Seems to me the only way folks could be selling hay that cheap is by going really light on the fertilizer. Down here in Texas, the only way to get decent quality horse hay is by hitting it with nitrogen, especially around here, where grass hay (mostly Coastal Bermuda) is the most common. Not much alfalfa here. Since everybody basically pays the same for fertilizer, it's the great equalizer.

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I haven't been doing this long, but I typically end up with $2-3.50 of fertilizer in each square bale! Depends on the yield and cutting, of course. I certainly couldn't sell it for that price...

Chet.
 
   / 2nd Cutting Finished - North Texas #24  
We are tight to Maine but with the Canadian dollar at par and fuel prices high, very little hay is moving that way now. The guys trucking hay down there pay 1.50 a bale out of your barn. The 6$/bale they get for the ~600 bales on the truck goes in their pocket.

At 1.50/bale I could just burn my fields each spring lol.

jimg said:
Ken
You must be too far removed from New England? I know theres a (at least there was not too many yrs ago) huge amt of CDN hay that comes over the border into that general area. My daughter was barn manager for a couple boarding stables in NH and they were always in search of hay. On many occasions theyd have to order a truck load from up N. Guess you must have looked into that market?
 
   / 2nd Cutting Finished - North Texas #25  
Re fertilizer, we get 2 cuts of hay or 3 cuts of sileage here. Manure is the only economical fertilizer here, it can only go on once in the spring unless you have a liquid setup for cattle.
 
   / 2nd Cutting Finished - North Texas #26  
I just sprayed 60 pounds of nitrogen per acre on my Giant bermuda field and put out dry fertilizer as per the soil sample on my alfalfa. That price tag hurt! What's made it even worse is for 7 days after I sprayed the liquid on the bermuda we had winds between 30 and 70 MPH and heat so bad it felt like being in the nozzle of a hair dryer. I kept the sprinklers going round the clock but with them blowing 400 feet in one direction most of the time I don't think it helped much. I still ended up with some burned spots. Yesterday the wind really calmed down and I am making another round over the fields with the sprinkler. Hopefully it gets in the ground now.

We have another problem now too. My well pump is wearing out. I used to have enough pressure to run 2 1/2 inch nozzle rainbirds out there at once. Not now! I can only run one 3/8 nozzle at a time while keeping 50 psi at the nozzle.
Time for another expense I can't afford. Oh well, such is life in the small farm business. That pump just made me raise my prices on the next cutting to 7.50 a bale. I'm still about 3-4 dollars under all the feed stores so it should sell without a problem.
 
   / 2nd Cutting Finished - North Texas #27  
How can the stores sell at 10$/bale? I should note our bales here are 45 lb bales, not those midwest 80 lb'ers.
 
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slowzuki said:
How can the stores sell at 10$/bale? I should note our bales here are 45 lb bales, not those midwest 80 lb'ers.
I'd like to say because they are being bought by people that don't know any better. BUT, I can't tell you how many times that I have been standing at the feed store/Co-op waiting to get loaded with fence boards and watch someone getting their F250/F350 loaded with nice looking $10 bales. These are obviously horse owners and the bales did look decent quality. But I can hardly believe that someone that I ASSume has at the very least average intelligence and a little bit of time can't find a local farmer/hobby baler/dealer who can get them bales at a better price than retail. The only thing I can believe is that they have money to burn and simply don't give a crap. My boarder did say that she though maybe they were headed to a horse show and need bales to travel with quickly or were feeding it to goats or something so I don't know. Either way, makes no sense to me either. :confused:
 
   / 2nd Cutting Finished - North Texas #29  
It's mostly a supply and demand thing down here. Not many people grow horse quality hay. It's mostly wheat, wild grasses which are junk here and some bluestem. There are a few alfalfa growers and only one other bermuda grower that I know of in our area. Most alfalfa here goes to the dairies and is roundbaled or chopped. The stuff that is square baled is sold at a premium.

Plus it's just not cheap. Nothing grows around here without daily and heavy irrigation. You should see my electric bill. I haven't figured what the new fuel costs are doing to my bottom line exactly yet but I think our profit is only about 2 dollars a bale at the price we were selling it at. I should be at 3 dollars now but I have to refigure for the fuel still.

The majority of hay I've seen in the feed stores is coming from canada and South Texas. Imagine what the delivery charge is on that.

FWIW, there is only one other farm around here I would ever consider buying alfalfa off of. The other ones I see aren't even fit for cattle feed. We got weeds down here that will kill a horse or even a goat in a matter of minutes. I wouldn't risk it.

My bales are running about 60 pounds on the Bermuda and 70 on the alfalfa right now. The bales are the perfect size but really dense. I didn't mess with the hydraulic pressure when I went between the fields but I may next time to lighten them a bit.
 
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mark.r said:
My boarder did say that she though maybe they were headed to a horse show and need bales to travel with quickly or were feeding it to goats or something so I don't know. Either way, makes no sense to me either. :confused:

My guess:

1) Convenience factor is big. Being able to just swing by and grab some bales every once in a while (like you would shop for groceries) probably feels normal to folks. I personally think buying enough hay for the year and then feeding out of the barn sounds a lot more convenient, but that's just me.

2) Known quality. All it takes is one time getting burned by the local farmer, and they want store-like quality assurance. Of course, there is nothing to say the local feed store can't sell crap hay, but I'll bet folks "feel" like the hay is better and there is more of an organization backing it up if there is anything wrong with it.

I recently converted my neighbor into buying hay from me after years of buying feedstore hay. His wife wanted the quality assurance, and had some ideas about how the hay had to be shipped out from California to be any good. Well, they got in a pinch and came over and bought 5 bales out of the barn. That did it. Once she realized that my hay was just as good, and her husband realized that I would stack it in his barn for him (no difference in work for me, I've got to stack it in mine if not his), they were sold for life. Now they just give me a ring when they see me baling hay and the bales show up in their barn. The husband gives me the money with a big ole smile on his face, he saves $4 per bale and never has to touch one. It's like he hit the lottery.

That being said, I definitely don't have it all figured out. WTA is right, I feel like I'm going to have to start raising prices. I just spent another $800 on fertilizer and with the rain spigget shutting down recently, am not going to get much to show for it. I believe the market will bare the price increase though (although I don't actually know what my local feedstore is selling for now). I probably should have taken the hint when both my 1st and 2nd cutting sold out in 2 days... I've probably been selling too cheap at $4 and $6.

Ha! I just checked today's USDA hay market report for Texas and it sounds pretty similiar to the conditions WTA and I are describing. Again, I don't really know what I'm talking about, but it has the feel of a nasty drop in hay availability (and probably spike in prices) coming on unless we get some rain. Makes me wish I had kept some hay in storage even more...

From: http://www.ams.usda.gov/mnreports/am_gr310.txt

"Compared to last week: Hay prices steady to mostly firm. Alfalfa hay supply, especially in West Texas, is short and demand for it is good to very good, with many producers having no hay left and customers waiting for third cutting to take place. Demand for old crop grass hay in the Central and Southern areas has gone up due to the increase in price for new crop. However, many of these areas that have made new crop Coastal Bermuda are experiencing lower than normal yields and quality. Most areas are still very dry, with high temperatures and windy conditions persisting. There have been wildfires in these dry areas as well. Some spotty showers have occurred, and have provided some relief to those areas. The increasing costs of fuel and fertilizer are still of great concern. Supplemental feeding has increased, due to lack of moisture for grazing pastures. The drought conditions are also affecting other crops such as wheat, corn and cotton, hampering growth and production."
 

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