$3.37 Gas & $3.58 Diesel - Thrilled.

[fixit]

You guys don't dont know how lucky you are i have just returned from a holiday in florida

And couldn't believe how cheap it is to buy gas

Just worked it out at this morning prices we are paying 8 Dollars 77 Cents a US Gallon

Good old Britain taxed to death

 

[US American]

Instead of pointing fingers at each other our leaders just need to objectively study the issues and come up with a plan to "fix it". I think the debt spending is the number one thing that has gotten us into this mess. And the debt has been spiraling for 30 years now.

All of these things "we have worked hard for" is garbage. We borrowed hard for these things. We drove manufacturing out of this country and became a nation of consumers. We created wonderful government services that we could not afford. We just borrowed the money to make it happen. We are the family that has everything (nice house, nice vehicles, killer tractor, beautiful lawnmower) but we are struggling just to make the interest payments on all the loans. Remember the commercial that ran a few years ago where the suburbanite was talking about how he had everything as he cruised around the yard on his riding mower. Then he breaks down and says he's up to his rearend in debt. That's us!

These high fuel prices are not criminal (I wish they were but I don't think they are). They are just a sign of a weakened dollar and the free market. The rest of the world caught up to us because we allowed it to happen. We stopped leading the way and got fat, dumb, and happy.

We created a welfare society that we can no longer afford to support. What will they do when the money runs out? Or the state funded meds? Violence is rampant now but you just wait. When funding for social programs runs out (it has to, there is no money!) and these people have no food or drugs you will see crime increase dramatically. Burglaries, thefts, and assaults... you name it.

The other scary thing for this country is that our bridges are nearing the end of their lifespans and there is no plan to replace them. Much of our power grid is in the same boat. And the cost to build or rebuild anything anymore is ridiculous. Our railroads are a shadow of their former selves (very efficient way to move goods on land once infrastructure is in place) because we drove them out.

I am non-partisan but I generally lean conservative. I read from many reputable news sources and form my own conclusions. I do not "drink the water of ____ Party". These are all things I have come to believe from objectively learning about the issues. The right versus left War needs to stop or we will never fix the problem. Period. The problem (debt) is fixable if we Act Now. But it WILL be ugly. Because you reap what you sow and we have sown the seeds of failure for 30 years.

 

[Grateful11]

2 wars, no taxes to pay for the wars. A expensive drug plan, no taxes to fund it. Then 2 tax cuts. The debt problem started way before the current administration. Everything since 2001 has been a failure.

It's about time someone said it but the majority here aren't going to believe because they don't want to. It's too easy to blame our problems on social programs and yes I know they're expensive and sure there's waste and corruption just like there's waste and corruption among the tax system especially for the rich.

If y'all don't believe the tax system is screwed up watch this:

The U.S. tax code: A "huge convoluted mess" - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News

 

[bubba1]

It's about time someone said it but the majority here aren't going to believe because they don't want to. It's too easy to blame our problems on social programs and yes I know they're expensive and sure there's waste and corruption just like there's waste and corruption among the tax system especially for the rich.

If y'all don't believe the tax system is screwed up watch this:

The U.S. tax code: A "huge convoluted mess" - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News

One of my neighbor's was complaining about "socialism". After listening to this I reminded him that he had a quadrouple bypass, 2 cancer treatments, a artificial hip, and a artificial knee, and various other age ailments treated, all courtesy of medicare. I told him if it weren't for a little socialism, he would have been taking the long dirtnap a long time ago.

 

[ken4831]

Old chuck made a remark about Jimmy C shuting down the Natural gas co 's in the 70's due to shortage of gas.
I was working for a gas co at that time. 2 26" lines and a 34 inch line going to Calif was shut down. Only enough flow needed for the cities along the line.
In Arizona and N.Mexico the copper smelters had to resort to crude oil to maintain a furnace and power plants needed to make copper. There was lines of crude tankers hauling oil to these plants. A bonanza to the railroads but what a waste of oil.
Today the gas company sold the company to a Railroad and then resold to a group of investors. The employees don't know, some retired some went with the new owners but today driving past the old plants it is inclosed with chain link fence and not operating.
To get gas Calif. bought from a supplier from Canda.
And the Vermont people don't want oil drilling. on shore or off, oil refineries
Wind power, The nuclear plant is being pressuried to shut down. Maybe there is areas needing to return to the pre-oil and the time before Edison invented the generator days. The model "T" Ford was designed to run on coal oil gas . but then the coal companys are being restricted because of sulfer.
Good thing I'm retired and living on the same check of 15 years ago.
Hang on the American dollar until the smile is wiped off his face. The todays price of fuel , going to have resort to the countrys of China for methods of travel. bicycles hauling the farms produce tied on back. 1 cyl.engines looking like a motorcycle with pick-up beds. The old man with a pole on his shoulder hauling 2 containers at a walking jog to get some where.
It is time to sit back and rethink of the direction we are having to travel.
ken

 

[JB4310]

$4.31 today at Citgo for diesel they are the cheapest.

 

[Window Geek]

I bought a Volkwagen diesel 8 years ago and kept my F-250 diesel for the truck things. I had enoug in fuel savings to pay for the car as long as diesel stayed above $1.20 a gallon. I did OK.
I used to have electric heat in the 80's, I just never let it turn on. The wood stove ran all the time in the winter. Solar hot water went in in 1986. It's still working with all original parts. I've saved a bundle doing that. Saving the earth is nice, but the green thing saves money too.

The arguement for investment instead of putting in solar electricity is well said, but I'm glad I invested the money in PV 4 months before the stock market crunch in 2008. All that money wouldn't have paid a dime on utility bills for another year or two just getting to where it started.

Did any of us think that we'd now be paying FOUR TIMES the cost of energy of eight years ago? How about another eight years from now?

I have oil heat now. I STILL don't let it turn on. I run the same woodstove in the living room and a pellet stove in the basement. I still cut my own wood, but the tractor makes that more fun now. To all the people making way too much money for oil, from foreign exporters to US traders, thanks. You'll teach all of us to shut the oil off all the sooner.

And to think I looked a bio-diesel 4 years ago... Should have made that jump! :laughing:

Yup. I checked again to see if there was any politics in this. Nope.
If you want to make a difference in energy, just do it yourself. Stop blaming the system and start changing it instead.

 

[Grateful11]

One of my neighbor's was complaining about "socialism". After listening to this I reminded him that he had a quadrouple bypass, 2 cancer treatments, a artificial hip, and a artificial knee, and various other age ailments treated, all courtesy of medicare. I told him if it weren't for a little socialism, he would have been taking the long dirtnap a long time ago.

It's sorta like lawyers nearly everyone hates them until they really need one. I'm losing my healthcare on the last day of this year and I'm not sure what I'm going to do as I'm uninsurable. Right now I'm paying about $400/mon. for a little dinky plan to cover my wife and one son still in college, basically a plan that would keep us from being wiped out in the event of something serious. Our other son just so happened to not opt out on the college healthcare plan so he's going to keep paying for it for one more year, he is also uninsurable as he has MD. When graduates hopefully his employer will have to pick him up after a waiting period, odd thing is he actually goes to the Dr. the least of anyone in the house but because he has that MD sign hovering over his head he'll likely never be able to buy private insurance on his own, it'll have to be through a group policy. BTW: I'm so proud of him in getting a summer job in the IT dept. at the college he attends, it'll look good on his resume I'm sure. I'm hoping it leads to a permanent position when he graduates in a year with a 4 yr. degree in Information Technology. My oldest graduates in 2 weeks with a double major in Pre-Med and Biology, Yes! I don't know where they got their smarts from but I thank God for them.

 

[techwrtr2]

We bought 60 gallons of diesel today, 30 on road, 30 off road for a grand total of $240. Fortunately,that fuel will last a little while.

My observation with this whole mess is that there is no single problem or solution. Many things, big and small, contribute to the issue and thus there is no single solution. A strong dollar would certainly alleviate some things. So would greater supply. Fewer taxes and specialty blends of gas would lower a few pennies from the pump price. So would China abandoning all development and returning to the stone age. Really, none of them could possibly give us the quality of life we demand today and $.99 premium gas or $.50 diesel we enjoyed many years ago.

The world is a changing place and we need to learn how to live in the place we occupy now rather than turning the clock backward. We also need leaders who have the balls to make touch choices regardless of whether it costs them the election. Bitching about how this leader or that is good or bad or somehow a traitor won't solve the problem. I want to hear real and thoughtful solutions rather than blame casting. Thus far no matter where I turn, I hear lots of complaints and precious few rational solutions. Solutions that required rose colored glasses don't count either.

 

[Don87]

Maybe I was misunderstood with some of what I said.

We need to get rid of 'liberals and progressives'..........anyone that has a little knowledge of this countries history will understand the two terms.

As far as this administration.................It's the worst this country has ever seen........bar none............but our problems started way before Obama. But he will see to it that the USA is destroyed.

Just read his books, and look at the policies he is enacting.......then show me where I'm wrong.


As I said............people gotta think before they vote.............and be extremely careful of where you get your news.

Some news organizations want to inform...........others want to form opinions.