Someone's going to get a bargain with this one on EBay: Danuser PHD . It's currently listed at $1.75!! Even if it needs some repair, it has to be worth a bid. The listing says it needs no hydraulics, but I see what looks like a couple of hydraulic hoses in the pictures. I'd bid on it, but it's in Calif., the seller says the buyer has to arrange the shipping, and I have no way to do that from Florida.
3 PH power down trick?
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I see a PTO connection in the pics /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
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hi guys. i was looking for information on using a post-digger with my ford 9n. many references said dont even try because with no down pressure its almost impossible. so i started looking for something to do this and happened across this post
it refers to a device called the top-n-tilt which seems to be exactly what you are talking about in this post. although i would just want the down pressure cylinder i cannot find one for my ford /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif there are more attached photos but here is one of the devices anyways, just thought id let you know. if it doesnt apply, my apologies /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
it refers to a device called the top-n-tilt which seems to be exactly what you are talking about in this post. although i would just want the down pressure cylinder i cannot find one for my ford /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif there are more attached photos but here is one of the devices anyways, just thought id let you know. if it doesnt apply, my apologies /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Hi garrittg,
A hydraulic top link changes the length of the top link but the whole 3PH linkage still floats. (you still only have the implement weight feeding it)
The mechanism described at the beginning of this thread is a hydraulic cylinder added to the 3PH linkage on the diagonal between the tractor mount of the top link and the implement attachment of the bottom link. This arrangement pushes the implement down, using the tractor as a base.
Since the original discussion began, it occurred to me that a simpler way to do this might be to attach one end of the cylinder to the drawbar or drawbar mount, and the other end of the cylinder to the implement/top link attachment. This arrangement eliminates the added bar between the lower links. Granted the cylinder isn't as forceful in pull mode but it shouldn't take that much force.
Off subject, I'm always hesitant to give personal info on the internet but went ahead and filled out my profile for this board anyway. No regrets so far.
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A hydraulic top link changes the length of the top link but the whole 3PH linkage still floats. (you still only have the implement weight feeding it)
The mechanism described at the beginning of this thread is a hydraulic cylinder added to the 3PH linkage on the diagonal between the tractor mount of the top link and the implement attachment of the bottom link. This arrangement pushes the implement down, using the tractor as a base.
Since the original discussion began, it occurred to me that a simpler way to do this might be to attach one end of the cylinder to the drawbar or drawbar mount, and the other end of the cylinder to the implement/top link attachment. This arrangement eliminates the added bar between the lower links. Granted the cylinder isn't as forceful in pull mode but it shouldn't take that much force.
Off subject, I'm always hesitant to give personal info on the internet but went ahead and filled out my profile for this board anyway. No regrets so far.
John
garrittg
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hi jmc /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif from my gathering of the top-n-tilt info, it is a two cylinder system. one controls the tilt as you described, the other attaches to one of the lift arms to provide down pressure. i thought the cylinder that provides the down pressure was a pretty groovy idea and was wishing for a system that did just that. maybe im just mistaken too /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Garritg, I hope you're not misunderstanding what a top-n-tilt is. It's a two cylinder (or even three cylinder) system, alright. One cylinder simply replaces the manual top link for the 3-point hitch. Now while that is the "top" part, its purpose is to tilt implements back and forth from front to rear. The other cylinder attaches to one of the lower lift arms (or two cylinders so that one attaches to each of the two lower lift arms). That is the "tilt" part of the system and its purpose is to tilt implements back and forth from side to side. Neither of these provide any down pressure on the implement; they only control the angle(s) of attack.
garrittg
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aaaaah! thx for the clarification bird and jmc /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif i thought i may be a bit loopy but again wasnt sure!
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Whoever told you that must have limited tractor experience or knowledge /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Most 40 hp and lower tractors don't have 3pt down presure. There are a few limited exceptions.
As for a post hole digger on a 9n.. they had them back before they were even pto shaft driven.. I have pics of belt driven 3pt post hold diggers on early N's..
The biggest problem on an N is the non-live pto.. just makes you get creative though.. no big deal..
Liek the others said.. hyd toplink is going to change the angle of attack.. a cylinder between drawbar and toplink is a better idea..
In ana case.. unless you plan on attatching an aux front mounted pump.. the power down will be difficult.. as you can't tap into the internal hyds on the N, to accomplish power down, as when the control handle is in the down position, the test port isn't presurized... etc.
Soundguy
Whoever told you that must have limited tractor experience or knowledge /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Most 40 hp and lower tractors don't have 3pt down presure. There are a few limited exceptions.
As for a post hole digger on a 9n.. they had them back before they were even pto shaft driven.. I have pics of belt driven 3pt post hold diggers on early N's..
The biggest problem on an N is the non-live pto.. just makes you get creative though.. no big deal..
Liek the others said.. hyd toplink is going to change the angle of attack.. a cylinder between drawbar and toplink is a better idea..
In ana case.. unless you plan on attatching an aux front mounted pump.. the power down will be difficult.. as you can't tap into the internal hyds on the N, to accomplish power down, as when the control handle is in the down position, the test port isn't presurized... etc.
Soundguy
garrittg
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thx soundguy /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif its the tale of the forums. sometimes you find good stuff and sometimes bad /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif just a matter of sifting through. im really liking this forum though since just in my little experience with it there seems to be a multitude of knowledge. looking forward to reading more /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
