35x, 45x, 55x, 65x series trucks... enlighten me

[RedNeckRacin]

To answer your other question about just driving thr truck you would be correct. No cdl needed if under 26k. Also, if your combination is over 17k combined, you need a medical card.

 

[powerstroke444e]

I would look for a 1ton single rear wheel or bigger truck and for on trailer a 16' dump or a nice tandem gooseneck deck over w 10k axles would make a good all around farm trailer

 

[bdog]

You almost have it. If the truck is 25999, the trailer can weigh up to 9999lbs. If the trailer breaks the 10,001lbs mark, it's a class a license. You have to be pretty careful with the numbers when you get close to the magic mark. Over weight tickets are another concern, not only do your tires and axles have to be rated high enough, your tags have to cover the weight as well.

This is correct.

Regarding the DRW vs SRW Yes the SRW will allow you to pull a larger trailer without breaking the CDL threshold but the DRW is capable of towing a lot more. We have a 14k rated trailer. My non CDL drivers can pull it with the 10k GVWR pickup but hook the same trailer onto our dually and you need a class A to drive it.

Our 14k rated trailer always carries the same load and it weighs just under 12,000lb. It is right at the limit on the SRW pickup of having to much pin weight on the pickup and exceeding the pickups GVWR. SRW trucks can't haul a heck of a lot in terms of goosenecks without exceeding the GVWR or the rear axle/tire ratings.

 

[jb1390]

You almost have it. If the truck is 25999, the trailer can weigh up to 9999lbs. If the trailer breaks the 10,001lbs mark, it's a class a license. You have to be pretty careful with the numbers when you get close to the magic mark. Over weight tickets are another concern, not only do your tires and axles have to be rated high enough, your tags have to cover the weight as well.

Edited Post - RedNeckRacin is correct.

 

[Diamondpilot]

To answer your other question about just driving thr truck you would be correct. No cdl needed if under 26k. Also, if your combination is over 17k combined, you need a medical card.

Not if its a boat, RV, or for personal use.

Chris

 

[mikesee]

You are correct about driving the 650 no CDL required as the GVWR is 26k but as soon as you hook up a trailer your Combined Gross Vehicle Weight Ratine (truck plus trailer) will be over 26k CDL territory. And you are correct that you can tow a 15k trailer with a SW pick up with GVW less than 10k because the combined is less than 26k. A DW pick up with a GVW of 11,500 will get you in CDL territory with the same trailer even though it is a better towing set up.

It will come down to how often are you going to be towing heavy? If it is daily or weekly go with at least a 4 series truck. Even though a 3 series will get the job done if you tow with it everyday you will find that tires, brakes and rotors will need service annually.

I tow a 15k trailer commercially with a 6 series truck. Is it more truck than I need to tow the trailer? Of course, but brakes tires and rotors last forever and I know I can stop the whole set up even without trailer brakes. An when I step up to a 26k trailer I am good to go

Do not let the CDL requirement hold you back from driving a safe rig. I got my CDL for less than $200 bucks. Just get a DOT physical ($100), go to DMV and take written test $50 to get your learners permit then schedule a road test with your truck and trailer another $50. You will need to show up for the road test with someone who has a CDL-A as the examiner will check. You are supposed to drive with some who has a CDL-A while you have your permit but I skipped that part and was lucky.

DimondPilot's suggestion of a dump truck with a bumper pull trailer is a good one.

 

[Diamondpilot]

This is correct. Regarding the DRW vs SRW Yes the SRW will allow you to pull a larger trailer without breaking the CDL threshold but the DRW is capable of towing a lot more. We have a 14k rated trailer. My non CDL drivers can pull it with the 10k GVWR pickup but hook the same trailer onto our dually and you need a class A to drive it. Our 14k rated trailer always carries the same load and it weighs just under 12,000lb. It is right at the limit on the SRW pickup of having to much pin weight on the pickup and exceeding the pickups GVWR. SRW trucks can't haul a heck of a lot in terms of goosenecks without exceeding the GVWR or the rear axle/tire ratings.

With a 10K rated truck it's easy to overload the axle but my F350 SRW truck has a GVWR of 11,500#. I've seen them rated all over the place but when I order any truck be it a 1/2 ton or bigger I spec it with the highest GVWR and deepest gears.

Chris

 

[bdog]

Almost. If the truck is 25999 you can drive it without a cdl. If the truck is 25999 and the trailer is 9999, you will need a cdl B - since the combined weight is 35998-which is over the 26k trigger.

No you don't. You can drive a 25,999 truck and a 9,999 trailer with a class C.

 

[bdog]

No, you can't. The 26k number is a combined weight rating. You add together the weight ratings of truck and trailer. Here is a link to one of many resources that clearly outline those requirements.

Kentucky Commercial Drivers License Rules | DrivingLaws.org (Kentucky Commercial Drivers License Rules | DrivingLaws.org)

Better read the link you posted more clearly. Class A is a combo over 26k PROVIDED the trailer is over 10k. Class B is a single vehicle over 26k by itself or towing a trailer less than 10k. Class C is a vehicle that doesn't meet either the A or B. A 25,999 truck and 9,999 doesn't meet the definition of class A because the trailer is under 10k and it doesn't meet the definition of B because the single vehicle isn't over 26k. No where does the law say if the combo is over 26k do you automatically need a CDL.

 

[jb1390]

Better read the link you posted more clearly. Class A is a nocombo over 26k PROVIDED the trailer is over 10k. Class B is a single vehicle over 26k by itself or towing a trailer less than 10k. Class C is a vehicle that doesn't meet either the A or B. A 25,999 truck and 9,999 doesn't meet the definition of class A because the trailer is under 10k and it doesn't meet the definition of B because the single vehicle isn't over 26k. No where does the law say if the combo is over 26k do you automatically need a CDL.

Fair enough. I have heard the 26k number before from a variety of sources, but can see the logic in your interpretation.

Regardless, the OPs tractor probably won't be under the 10k number, so if he approaches 26k combined, he'll need class A.