BruceR
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3ph problem
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Tom_Veatch
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Bruce,
Everybody has been saying "look on the right side". Your diagram looks an awful lot like the left side to me. At least "left side" to the operator sitting on the seat. Anyway, based on that, I expanded my search area a little. Still haven't located a lever/valve, but did find what's shown in the attached photos.
"WideView.jpg" shows the general area - looking aft from the left side. "Closer View.jpg" is zoomed in a little closer and has a particular area on the side of the 3pt housing(?) circled.
I can't tell for sure, since visibility is somewhat restricted, but it looks like there is a hole in the side of the housing with something (?) sheared off below the surface. Perhaps the rate control?
Right now I'm thinking that since this tractor was used for years with only one implement, the tiller (that's a big assumption, I know). Maybe the drop rate valve was rarely used and seized. Later someone may have tried to adjust it with little too heavy a hand and sheared off the shaft. Sound reasonable to you guys?
I may have to do some disassembly work to get a better look at just what (if anything) is in that hole. Unless, that is, one of you folks is already familiar with the purpose of that hole.
Everybody has been saying "look on the right side". Your diagram looks an awful lot like the left side to me. At least "left side" to the operator sitting on the seat. Anyway, based on that, I expanded my search area a little. Still haven't located a lever/valve, but did find what's shown in the attached photos.
"WideView.jpg" shows the general area - looking aft from the left side. "Closer View.jpg" is zoomed in a little closer and has a particular area on the side of the 3pt housing(?) circled.
I can't tell for sure, since visibility is somewhat restricted, but it looks like there is a hole in the side of the housing with something (?) sheared off below the surface. Perhaps the rate control?
Right now I'm thinking that since this tractor was used for years with only one implement, the tiller (that's a big assumption, I know). Maybe the drop rate valve was rarely used and seized. Later someone may have tried to adjust it with little too heavy a hand and sheared off the shaft. Sound reasonable to you guys?
I may have to do some disassembly work to get a better look at just what (if anything) is in that hole. Unless, that is, one of you folks is already familiar with the purpose of that hole.
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Tom_Veatch
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Thank you, Audrey. I really appreciate the effort. I think I may have solved the mystery - pending any followup to the photos included in a separate post.
I ran across another old thread in which another owner of a YM2220D was also having difficulty locating the drop rate control. I stand to be corrected, but I'm currently thinking that it is below the seat on the operator's left and that it's been sheared off on my tractor.
Again, many, many thanks to you and everyone else who has tried to point my nose toward that valve.
I ran across another old thread in which another owner of a YM2220D was also having difficulty locating the drop rate control. I stand to be corrected, but I'm currently thinking that it is below the seat on the operator's left and that it's been sheared off on my tractor.
Again, many, many thanks to you and everyone else who has tried to point my nose toward that valve.
BruceR
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Tom,
Lift the seat.
Bruce
Lift the seat.
Bruce
Tom_Veatch
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I'm sorry, Bruce, but I don't understand what you're asking. Do you mean take a picture from above with the seat folded forward? Or remove the seat to get access to area. Or...
I've flipped that seat back and forth, up and down, around and around so many times on this search that I've about worn out the pivot pins. (Hear that, Hoye Tractor, I may be in the market for some seat parts.)
If my hypothesis about the valve shaft being sheared off is correct, I will be in the market for repair parts.
I've flipped that seat back and forth, up and down, around and around so many times on this search that I've about worn out the pivot pins. (Hear that, Hoye Tractor, I may be in the market for some seat parts.
)If my hypothesis about the valve shaft being sheared off is correct, I will be in the market for repair parts.
normde2001
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Tom_Veatch said:I'm sorry, Bruce, but I don't understand what you're asking. Do you mean take a picture from above with the seat folded forward? Or remove the seat to get access to area. Or...
I've flipped that seat back and forth, up and down, around and around so many times on this search that I've about worn out the pivot pins. (Hear that, Hoye Tractor, I may be in the market for some seat parts.
If my hypothesis about the valve shaft being sheared off is correct, I will be in the market for repair parts.
It's nowhere near where you have circled. take a picture of the left side area UNDER the seat, with the seat folded forward, and post that. See if anything resembles the pic from the manual. Of course, it's possible the 2220 doesn't have one.
roxynoodle
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My tractor is a 1510D. Sounds like on some of these tractors it may be on the left side. Mine is on the right if you were sitting in the seat or looking from behind. My 3ph lever that raises or lowers the hitch is next to my right fender. My PTO gear shifter is next to my left fender. Might it make sense that it would be located near the lever that raises and lowers the 3ph? On my tractor it is.
Mine is on the right if you were sitting in the seat or looking from behind. My 3ph lever that raises or lowers the hitch is next to my right fender. My PTO gear shifter is next to my left fender. Might it make sense that it would be located near the lever that raises and lowers the 3ph? On my tractor it is.
BruceR
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normde2001 said:
Tom,
What Norm said. If your 2220 is anything like my 2000b it is litteraly under the seat, not down by your ankle when sitting in the seat. Thats where the diagram I posted shows. Its just a little lever, easy to overlook.
Bruce
Tom_Veatch
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Thanks, Bruce.
OK, this has become a Mission! "Take that hill!!! Find That Valve!!!". It may be a day or so before I get back to it. The "Honey-Do" list needs some attention. What I plan to do is strip off the superstructure so I've got a clear view all around that 3pt housing, shoot a bunch of pictures and see if there are any sharp eyed eagles out there that can rub my nose on/in it. To be honest, I'm beginning to think that my tractor simply hasn't got one. But I can hardly believe that either. With the service lock valve full open, the 3pt falls like a rock. There has to be some way to modulate the drop rate.
Incidentally, mine doesn't look much like the diagram you posted. The seat attachment brackets are totally different. Two transverse rails run from fender to fender. A heavy elongated "S" shaped metal support is welded to the front rail, runs fore and aft, and bolts to the top of the 3pt housing. Two fore/aft slides similar to drawer slides bolt to the rails above the heavy support and the seat pivot pin goes through a tubular retainer that runs side to side at the front of those "drawer slides". The banjo fitting shown at the top of the 3pt housing in the diagram comes in from the right side on mine, and attaches to a horizontal ledge about halfway down the right front corner of my 3pt housing. All that is just to point out that the diagram is considerably different from what I am seeing.
You know, doing this much disassembly, I ought to just go ahead, pull the fenders and do a little cosmetic sheet metal and painting work. Guess that will depend on the length of those "Honey-Do's".
I really thank you guys and gals for the attention y'all have given this. A bunch of great folks hang out here.
BTW, ya' think this should be migrated to a new thread to better state what's going on here??? I didn't expect it to become this involved when I tacked on to the end of the old thread.
OK, this has become a Mission! "Take that hill!!! Find That Valve!!!". It may be a day or so before I get back to it. The "Honey-Do" list needs some attention. What I plan to do is strip off the superstructure so I've got a clear view all around that 3pt housing, shoot a bunch of pictures and see if there are any sharp eyed eagles out there that can rub my nose on/in it. To be honest, I'm beginning to think that my tractor simply hasn't got one. But I can hardly believe that either. With the service lock valve full open, the 3pt falls like a rock. There has to be some way to modulate the drop rate.
Incidentally, mine doesn't look much like the diagram you posted. The seat attachment brackets are totally different. Two transverse rails run from fender to fender. A heavy elongated "S" shaped metal support is welded to the front rail, runs fore and aft, and bolts to the top of the 3pt housing. Two fore/aft slides similar to drawer slides bolt to the rails above the heavy support and the seat pivot pin goes through a tubular retainer that runs side to side at the front of those "drawer slides". The banjo fitting shown at the top of the 3pt housing in the diagram comes in from the right side on mine, and attaches to a horizontal ledge about halfway down the right front corner of my 3pt housing. All that is just to point out that the diagram is considerably different from what I am seeing.
You know, doing this much disassembly, I ought to just go ahead, pull the fenders and do a little cosmetic sheet metal and painting work. Guess that will depend on the length of those "Honey-Do's".
I really thank you guys and gals for the attention y'all have given this. A bunch of great folks hang out here.
BTW, ya' think this should be migrated to a new thread to better state what's going on here???
I didn't expect it to become this involved when I tacked on to the end of the old thread.
buppy69
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My manual says to use the service lock valve to control the speed of descent. It says it should take 2 seconds for the implement to reach the ground.
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