Tires 4-ply or 6-ply Front Tires?

   / 4-ply or 6-ply Front Tires? #11  
arrabil said:
I recognize I answered my own question as to what I'd like, my question was more about what is actually necessary. The 4-plys came on the tractor with the loader from the dealer so obviously load-wise there isn't a problem. ....
Sounds like an assumption to me. 4ply, 1320# rating. Have you ever wighted the front axle? Do you have any idea what the weight transfer is when using the FEL?

Don't know what your tractor is but from tire size it sounds like it is bigger than mine. My front tire rating is about 950#/ea and with the bucket empty, weight on front axle puts the tires at their load rating.

I wouldn't even thing about using the 4ply tires with a bucket. Do yourself a favor and get your tractor weighed. I'd also suspect weight transfer is on the order of 1.5# for every pound placed in the bucket.
 
   / 4-ply or 6-ply Front Tires? #12  
Did the tractor come from the factory set up for the loader, or did the dealer add it later to a tractor that was not intended to have a loader on it? If it was not a "loader ready" tractor, the 4 plys may be a bit less tire than it should have had.
 
   / 4-ply or 6-ply Front Tires? #13  
arrabil said:
An inch here or there doesn't make any difference. The front tires are already designed to "pull" the rear tires which is why you should only engage 4WD in slippery conditions. My problem is that I'm not changing rims so I'm stuck with the only size they make for them.

My pocketbook tells me not to believe that. $1600 for a front differential repair on a Ford 2120 that the Ford rep tells me was caused just by inflation issues.

Andy
 
   / 4-ply or 6-ply Front Tires? #14  
Mine is a different tractor completely, but for what its worth... I changed tractors, similar size, same loader size. First tractor had turfs on it. Second has R4 tires. R4 on the front are much better for loader work. They no longer squat and complain. I vote putting on the R4. To me, the surface areas of the turfs vs the r4 tires seems about the same, as far as grass damage.
 
   / 4-ply or 6-ply Front Tires? #15  
My 2008 Kioti came with 6 ply R-4 tires.I speared one about 2 weeks ago and it was not useable again.I changed both front tires to 10 ply.coobie
 
   / 4-ply or 6-ply Front Tires?
  • Thread Starter
#16  
Tractor weighs 2675. Loader weighs 700 lbs. Total 3375. Front tires are rated at 1320 each, rear at 1570 each, 5780 lbs total. I think the tires are spec'd for enough weight.

My only choices are 6-ply and 4-ply. I wish they made an 8 or 10 ply in my tire size.

I guess I will go with 6-ply turfs and see how they hold up. I had more or less convinced myself of that earlier and the responses bear that out for my needs. I do more digging and grading with the loader than hauling, and getting stuck isn't an issue, so I will likely be better served with the turfs.

Thanks!

My pocketbook tells me not to believe that. $1600 for a front differential repair on a Ford 2120 that the Ford rep tells me was caused just by inflation issues.
Can I use a different size tire on my 4wd tractor
In their example, an acceptable rolling circumference would be 126.9" - 131.9". That equates to a tire diameter of 40.4" - 42.0" at perfect specifications for the front tires leading the rears. You could also let the rears leads the fronts if backing up through muck was more important or let them be equal for no leading. That gives you a range of 38.0"-42.0" for what the axle was actually designed to handle under optimal conditions. So like I said, an inch here or there doesn't make much of a difference.

Now if you ran them continuously without enough air, you probably went significantly past 1" here or there because you not only decreased their size with less air, you then also wore out the tread for even more of a loss, and likely put more pressure on the axle bearings because the tires weren't handling the load. Hence your troubles. Not that I'd be entirely convinced of that anyway, I'd assume something just failed or that it was used excessively where 4WD wasn't appropriate, but thats just me.
 
   / 4-ply or 6-ply Front Tires? #17  
I don't see how you relate tire size or inflation pressure to the load on the axle. The weight is carried by the bearings regardless of what is between the bearings and the ground. About the only way I can see that tire/wheel size will impact load on the front end is through the weight of the tire assembly itself and some minor shift of weight between front and rear due to changes in the the height of the front end. Given that these two factors are pretty much negligible when compared to the overall weight of the tractor, I would ask that you clarify this for me.
 
   / 4-ply or 6-ply Front Tires?
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#18  
The side to side load can be significantly different if only one tire is under inflated. Particularly while the axle is engaged and not slipping.
 
   / 4-ply or 6-ply Front Tires? #19  
The only downside to the 6 ply is the initial price.

If you go with 4 ply, you will rethink the decision every time you have a loaded bucket.

If you go with 6 ply it will sting when you write the check, and you will be done thinking about it.

I will go 6 ply next time.

Went 4 ply last time (but needed the tractor on a job right then) and am glad they are worn down as I will put 6 plys back under them.
 
   / 4-ply or 6-ply Front Tires?
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#20  
Wound up ordering a pair of 6-ply blems for $80 delivered. We'll see how those go. :)
 

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