4 wheel drive question

   / 4 wheel drive question #71  
All the grenaded ones I have seen are in 1/2 axles. Case split in two. Not heard of much trouble in larger axles.

I wonder if anyone would care to comment about my Eaton G80 "gov-lock" locking rear differential I have in my 2010 Silverado. I have heard good and bad about them.
James K0UA
 
   / 4 wheel drive question #72  
Egon has it, visualize the twist being applied to the axle shafts. You're not going to break the one with the tire in the air, its just along for the ride, nearly no torque on it. All the torque is being transmitted via the one contacting the ground.

With a locked diff, the only time the torque is equal, is if both tires have the same traction, and you're going in a straight line vs in an open diff its always (for simplicity sake) a 50-50 split limited by the tire with the least traction.

Sorry I'm still stuck on different torque to the two wheels when looked

To me locked means locked and therefore torque transmitted to the wheels would be the same?

I'm missing something basic I think

Joel
 
   / 4 wheel drive question #73  
I understand the point
The torque is a result of the traction no traction no torque in my locker question
Joel
 
   / 4 wheel drive question #74  
This post also explain why my tractor goes twice as fast when I apply split brake when plowing the driveway
 
   / 4 wheel drive question #75  
Every locking diff or limited slip diff is a compromise.

Ones that lock completely with air or electrically are either in or out. This can cause a lot of binding, but works well off road, slow speed or to get you out of a mud hole. Then it has to be turned off to prevent binding on high traction surfaces. The gov-lock allows spinning up to a certain RPM and then bang, it locks. I had one in a Blazer and it seemed to be a hindrance in off roading because of it's sudden locking, then unlocking and allowance of slipping, but it's good if stuck temporarily in the mud. My Dodge AAM axle has a very mild system that is pretty much invisible, but slips a lot. My older Dodge Cummins, with a Dana system, I think called Trac-Loc, was a clutch system that was invisible but locked completely to where one wheel could be off the ground and it would spin the one on pavement. Very, very good. The all gear Gleason might be the best ever invented. It can't spin up one wheel and is all gears, but it's hard to manufacture and expensive. The AAM system is similar, but cheaper. The limited slip units with clutch plates behind the spider gears that try to lock by using the expanding force of the spider gears only apply a small amount of torque to the stationary wheel and can't "lock".

In the long run, for many modern drivers, the traction control system that applies the brake on the spinning wheel, might be the best compromise. Invisible, powerful, immediate, silent. It is good on snowy highways, but probably not for hard core wheeling.

The mechanical systems can get you into trouble on a side hill. Without a locker you just spin the uphill wheel and can't proceed. But with lockers, one end or both will lock and you slide sideways. My Samurai can get into trouble like this. But, overall I love LS diffs and always have them in my trucks. With good driving I can always get much farther with them.
 
   / 4 wheel drive question #76  
Then the solution from someone else: "well, my Daddy used to just step on the brake when he spun a wheel and just drive right out".
The reason that is effective is twofold; 1] Daddy had drum brakes. These are leading shoe and therefore self energizing ... the brake on the spinning wheel is augmented by this effect, 2] as that brake warms from slipping its friction coefficient increases, thereby further increasing the braking effect on that wheel compared to the other.
larry
 
   / 4 wheel drive question #77  
The reason that is effective is twofold; 1] Daddy had drum brakes. These are leading shoe and therefore self energizing ... the brake on the spinning wheel is augmented by this effect, 2] as that brake warms from slipping its friction coefficient increases, thereby further increasing the braking effect on that wheel compared to the other.
larry

Maybe you read Raspy's original post wrong, or maybe I read yours wrong.................I think i'll drink a beer or three and re-read the posts.
 

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