400x vs 400CX ... Help!

   / 400x vs 400CX ... Help! #11  
If you have chance, showing some pictures of the 400CX with the bucket flat/level on the ground and then how the self leveling system works as you raise the bucket to 5' high and then to full height would be very handy for people to see.
 
   / 400x vs 400CX ... Help! #12  
Always happy to oblige - where tractors are concerned! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

The camera was on a tripod, so if you download all three pics, you can "flip" through em; the levelling action is easy to follow.

#1: 400CX down

Tom.
 

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#2: 400CX part way up.

T.
 

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#3: 400CX all the way up.

T.
 

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   / 400x vs 400CX ... Help! #15  
Thanks! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Shows just how mechanical self leveling works. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / 400x vs 400CX ... Help! #16  
So can you over-ride the self leveling then?
 
   / 400x vs 400CX ... Help! #17  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( So can you over-ride the self leveling then? )</font>
Nope, you can't override the mechanical levelling. Not without a hacksaw and a welding torch, anyway! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

But you can play with the joystick, doing the opposite of what you'd do when trying to keep a 400X bucket level, of course.

Another difference between the two loaders: JD says that the 400CX is made from 6mm high(er) tensile steel, whereas the 400X is apparently made from 5mm steel. At any rate, the CX does feel stiffer than the 400X I demo'ed at the dealer.

Tom.
 
   / 400x vs 400CX ... Help! #18  
Do you have an application where you don't want automatic self leveling?

If you don't have an automatic self leveling system, you and your eye hand coordination are the self leveling system. Otherwise, you can end up dumping your bucket contents out the back of the bucket as you rais the FEL up to full height. If you're lucky, whatever that is drops in front of the tractor. If you're unlucky, it drops on the hood. If you're really unlucky and the loader lifts high enough, it might even drop and roll far enough to reach you!

Remember that with a mechanically self leveling FEL, whatever dump/crowd angle you set while the bucket is on the ground STAYS fixed automatically as you raise the FEL arms. For instance, if your bucket is crowded back to an angle of, say, 40 degrees with respect to the horizontal, it will stay at 40 degrees with respect the horizontal throught the entire lift range of the FEL with no operator input other than to just run the FELs raise/lower circuit. Another place where MSL is very nice to have is with a set of pallet forks. Set them level or just slightly above level when you pick up a pallet and the pallet stays at that angle through the entire FEL lift range. Without MSL, you have to constantly adjust the angle of the forks as you raise and lower the FEL.

Myself, if available, I will try very hard to an MSL FEL on my next go around. Or, some manufactures offer hydraulic self leveling (HSL). Usually it is active only while raising the FEL arms, although I've seen some newer FELs that offer HSL on both raising and lowering of the FEL.

Yes, MSL and HSL do cost more, but you have to remember to amortize that cost over 20+ years of ownership. Is automatic self leveling on a loader essential? Nope. Does it make FEL loader use easier and more productive? Yep!
 

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