Hi, I've found a used 4100 but I have no idea if the asking price is fair. It's a 2000 model with 334 hrs on it, HST, 4wd, FEL and 60" MMM & turf tires. They are asking 11,900. It looks to be in excellent condition.
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Look at a new one, and compare the price with new and the same options. Being it is two years old, you can decide if the difference is what you think is fair for that length of time. With new, you will get the warranty, rather than get one that is near the end of the warranty. You also will get the dealer with you, which should help if you have problems or need help with other attachments down the road. Be sure you are getting the options that you want to have. You may want a little more, and maybe a little less than what the used one comes equipped with.
Unfortunately the dealer in my area is much higher in price than what I've been reading prices are in other areas. I got a quote for a 2210 with FEL and 54" MMM for 14K so I started looking elsewhere for used. He also said he does not come down off his price so there is no negotiating.
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<font color="blue">It's a 2000 model with 334 hrs on it, </font>
This seems like a lot of hrs on a 2000. Who is the seller....private or did this unit come from a rental yard? Rental yards can rack up this many hours on a fairly new tractor....individual owner is really working the unit to rack up this many hours. It may be nothing....but it just seems like a lot of miles for a fairly new machine.
....Bob
This seems like a lot of hrs on a 2000. Who is the seller....private or did this unit come from a rental yard? Rental yards can rack up this many hours on a fairly new tractor....individual owner is really working the unit to rack up this many hours. It may be nothing....but it just seems like a lot of miles for a fairly new machine.
....Bob
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<font color="blue"> He also said he does not come down off his price so there is no negotiating. </font>
How far are you willing to travel in shopping for a JD ponygirl? If you have other JD dealers within a couple of hours drive, then it just may be worth it to do some comparison shopping. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
FWIW, I shopped for my JD 4710 last Spring....went to 5 different dealers.....closest one was 10 minutes from me.....furthest one was located close to 2 hours away. I eventually bought from the dealer furthest away and saved over $1,200 over the next most competitive price quote. Most dealers will always tend to negotiate in some way unless they are driven by other business goals other than to make a sale and to satisfy a potential customer.
I'd also go to the JD configurator at JD's website to price out the tractor package you're interested in. This willl give you a benchmark in terms of MSRP from which you can then comparison shop and negotiate down. Most dealers will come down 12-20% off MSRP with a good dealer giving you over 20% off MSRP. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
....Bob
How far are you willing to travel in shopping for a JD ponygirl? If you have other JD dealers within a couple of hours drive, then it just may be worth it to do some comparison shopping. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
FWIW, I shopped for my JD 4710 last Spring....went to 5 different dealers.....closest one was 10 minutes from me.....furthest one was located close to 2 hours away. I eventually bought from the dealer furthest away and saved over $1,200 over the next most competitive price quote. Most dealers will always tend to negotiate in some way unless they are driven by other business goals other than to make a sale and to satisfy a potential customer.
I'd also go to the JD configurator at JD's website to price out the tractor package you're interested in. This willl give you a benchmark in terms of MSRP from which you can then comparison shop and negotiate down. Most dealers will come down 12-20% off MSRP with a good dealer giving you over 20% off MSRP. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
....Bob
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That's the same unit I have. You will spend about $14.5 - 15 K for a new unit (4110). My rule of thumb is to spend no more than 75-80% of the new cost on a late model used unit. 50% on an older or well-used unit. The asking pice is a little less than 80%, so if it fits the perfect condition category, then it's a fair price. Otherwise, I'd keep looking.
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That's not too bad of a price. If it was $10,900 it would be a great price. I'd try and buy it for $10.900 on a cash deal. If nothing else they may meet you in the middle which is still a good deal.
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This deal doesn't sound too bad, especially since it's the "first blush" price from the seller. Don't be afraid to throw a number back at him. He's motivated to sell for some reason, even though he probably hasn't, and won't, bring it up.
Of course none of us have seen the tractor, so it's simple for us. As was mentioned about the 2210 price, the dealer is a ways off there and you could get a better quote and let him know what his competition is up to.
One last opinion: IMHO, 335 hours doesn't seem extraordinarily high for a 3-year-old tractor. In fact, that sounds about right for general work on a good sized estate.
Of course none of us have seen the tractor, so it's simple for us. As was mentioned about the 2210 price, the dealer is a ways off there and you could get a better quote and let him know what his competition is up to.
One last opinion: IMHO, 335 hours doesn't seem extraordinarily high for a 3-year-old tractor. In fact, that sounds about right for general work on a good sized estate.
Hi Rancar- I got another price on the 2210 with the same configuration as before for 12800. Now the real question is whether or not I can do what I need to do with the 2210. In fact, I'm not sure what the real difference in the 2210 and the 4100 is as it looks to me that they are similiar in specs. I have 7 acres that I'll need to mostly mow, move some dirt around- lot of it at the moment, and maintain my 800 foot driveway. My land is flat (good old florida) and wet in some areas. The dealer said I could do what I want with either machine but I don't want to buy and have to upgrade later on. The FEL work would be initially moving dirt but then it would transition to moving horse manure. Any thoughts?
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Hi ponygirl...
Let me offer a few comments and then one or two followup questions.
First, the 2210 and 4100 likely could perform the chores that you've delineated. My preference is to always go for the bigger, higher HP tractor if your budget permits. I say this because you never know what chores and jobs you may tackle down the road. Your dealer is correct. You want a tractor that meets your needs now and in the immediate future. One mistake some of us make is buying small to try to save money, realizing later that the tractor is too small and then finding the need to upgrade. I've been a member of the TBN community for over a year now, have read countless threads, and the conclusion I've reached is this: Buy a tractor that's within your budget but also seriously explore how you can increase that budget to buy the next bigger tractor. This isn't a contradiction. I've experienced instances, and I think other TBNers have cited likewise, when I had jobs to do when I wish I had that higher HP tractor or the tractor that had just that extra oomph of torque.
If you're thinking of moving dirt and then manure, here again, think higher HP and a FEL that has greater lifting capacity. Also, think of installing a toothbar on the FEL to assist in digging at those dirt and manure piles. This is not like moving the light snow us northerners have. Also, I would go with a tractor with the R-1 bar tires, second choice would be industrial tread, and definitely not the turf tires. You live in Florida where you get plenty of rain....and mud. Those R-1s will serve you better than the other types when you're mowing those soggy fields and digging around in the dirt piles.
Now for the questions.....
I don't recall...but, do you have an upper limit that you want to spend? Are you flexible here? If so, think on the 4x10 series tractor. I believe these are 'made a bit tougher' and while I don't have the specs in front of me, I think you have higher engine and PTO HP as well as higher engine torque. If you go to John Deere's website, you should be able to find all the specs on both the 2210 and the 4100 (now 4115 I think). If not at JD's website, a good dealer should be able to provide this information. Also, if you haven't done so already, review the numerous threads on the 2210 and 4100 tractors in this JD buying/pricing forum. It'll take some time reading through all the threads and posts, but there's a lot of good experiential information others have posted that you can get some gleaning from and help in the decision you need to make. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Best of luck to you in your shopping...let us know how you make out.
.....Bob
Let me offer a few comments and then one or two followup questions.
First, the 2210 and 4100 likely could perform the chores that you've delineated. My preference is to always go for the bigger, higher HP tractor if your budget permits. I say this because you never know what chores and jobs you may tackle down the road. Your dealer is correct. You want a tractor that meets your needs now and in the immediate future. One mistake some of us make is buying small to try to save money, realizing later that the tractor is too small and then finding the need to upgrade. I've been a member of the TBN community for over a year now, have read countless threads, and the conclusion I've reached is this: Buy a tractor that's within your budget but also seriously explore how you can increase that budget to buy the next bigger tractor. This isn't a contradiction. I've experienced instances, and I think other TBNers have cited likewise, when I had jobs to do when I wish I had that higher HP tractor or the tractor that had just that extra oomph of torque.
If you're thinking of moving dirt and then manure, here again, think higher HP and a FEL that has greater lifting capacity. Also, think of installing a toothbar on the FEL to assist in digging at those dirt and manure piles. This is not like moving the light snow us northerners have. Also, I would go with a tractor with the R-1 bar tires, second choice would be industrial tread, and definitely not the turf tires. You live in Florida where you get plenty of rain....and mud. Those R-1s will serve you better than the other types when you're mowing those soggy fields and digging around in the dirt piles.
Now for the questions.....
I don't recall...but, do you have an upper limit that you want to spend? Are you flexible here? If so, think on the 4x10 series tractor. I believe these are 'made a bit tougher' and while I don't have the specs in front of me, I think you have higher engine and PTO HP as well as higher engine torque. If you go to John Deere's website, you should be able to find all the specs on both the 2210 and the 4100 (now 4115 I think). If not at JD's website, a good dealer should be able to provide this information. Also, if you haven't done so already, review the numerous threads on the 2210 and 4100 tractors in this JD buying/pricing forum. It'll take some time reading through all the threads and posts, but there's a lot of good experiential information others have posted that you can get some gleaning from and help in the decision you need to make. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Best of luck to you in your shopping...let us know how you make out.
.....Bob
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I have 6-1/2 acres and a 4200, but no MMM. I have adequate power. I mostly brushhog and move dirt. I really push the tractor when moving dirt, or gravel, or using fel to level drive. But it handles it. I'm sure I could get by with a 4100, but I do use the extra horses. In fact, I'm considering selling the 4200 in order to upgrade to a 4210, mainly because I want hydrostatic. I'm considering dropping down to a 4110 since at this point there really is no need for brushhogging and I would switch to a wider finish mower. For what it's worth. (Note when the time comes I doubt I will really trade it in for less horsepower. I don't think I have it in me.) And the price does sound good.
Well, I didn't want to spend more than 13k as I'm also land poor - clearing, ditch work, road work, seeding, well, and the list goes on.... What I'm now totally confused about is specs. I took a look at the 2210 and it has more engine than the 4010 & 4110 /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif The hp to the pto is the same for the 2210 and 4110 (4010 has less). I did notice the hydraulic flow is 5.5 for the 2210 and more for the 4110. I am such a newbie to tractors but it "seems" that the 2210 is more machine than the 4010? I apologize now for asking so many questions but I like being an informed potential buyer.
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Ponygirl,
When looking at the 2210 vs. the 4010, you can't really say that one is "more" tractor than the other. As in many comparisons, each tractor is better at different tasks. The 2210 delivers more pto horsepower, but the 4010 has more capacity when using the loader. I also believe the 2210 has a limited category I 3 point vs the regular category I on the 4010. When I started shopping tractors I made the mistake of looking at big lawn tractors with horsepower in the 27 range. I soon realized that all the horsepower in the world does no good if you can't use it.
The 4010 and the 2210 are similar, but each has its distinct advantages. I'm not up to speed with connecting you to other posts in the site, but a fellow TBN'r (Subvet) went through much of the same comparison. His post(s) may be of some help if you can do a search.
Good Luck
Bob
When looking at the 2210 vs. the 4010, you can't really say that one is "more" tractor than the other. As in many comparisons, each tractor is better at different tasks. The 2210 delivers more pto horsepower, but the 4010 has more capacity when using the loader. I also believe the 2210 has a limited category I 3 point vs the regular category I on the 4010. When I started shopping tractors I made the mistake of looking at big lawn tractors with horsepower in the 27 range. I soon realized that all the horsepower in the world does no good if you can't use it.
The 4010 and the 2210 are similar, but each has its distinct advantages. I'm not up to speed with connecting you to other posts in the site, but a fellow TBN'r (Subvet) went through much of the same comparison. His post(s) may be of some help if you can do a search.
Good Luck
Bob
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Ponygirl,
I don't have much knowledge on the John Deere rigs but I do want to emphasize having a large enough tractor. (example) I purchased a TC21D New Holland which is about the same size as the 4100, maybe a little bit bigger than the 4100. I used it for mowing lawan and moving dirt with a FEL. I found that you couldn't move much dirt with the TC21D. It was just too small and even on level ground with too much dirt in the bucket you tend to take the back wheels off the ground and if you turn sharpe with the bucket up the tractor would start to tip over. So any way I ended up biting the bullet and taking the tractor back and I got a TC29D. I believe manure is heavier than just plain old dirt so you would tend to have more problems
Anyway another option would be to look for a little bit older tractor that is larger in size that you could get for less money, one that was taken good care of. Also you may want to look at some of the other tractors out there. When I was looking I was set on buying a JD4100 used, but then I checked out the New Holland dealer and I ended up getting the TC21D brand new for about $1,000.00 less. I also ended up trusting the dealer a lot more also. So even if the New Holland would have been more I think I would have gotten it yet because of the dealer.
Well I am starting to ramble here, I hope this helps you.
Murph
ps: my neighbor did buy a 2000 JD4100 with about 250 hours on it. It had a MMM, front blade, snow blower, turf tires Hydrostatic and he paid less than 11,000.00 delivered
I don't have much knowledge on the John Deere rigs but I do want to emphasize having a large enough tractor. (example) I purchased a TC21D New Holland which is about the same size as the 4100, maybe a little bit bigger than the 4100. I used it for mowing lawan and moving dirt with a FEL. I found that you couldn't move much dirt with the TC21D. It was just too small and even on level ground with too much dirt in the bucket you tend to take the back wheels off the ground and if you turn sharpe with the bucket up the tractor would start to tip over. So any way I ended up biting the bullet and taking the tractor back and I got a TC29D. I believe manure is heavier than just plain old dirt so you would tend to have more problems
Anyway another option would be to look for a little bit older tractor that is larger in size that you could get for less money, one that was taken good care of. Also you may want to look at some of the other tractors out there. When I was looking I was set on buying a JD4100 used, but then I checked out the New Holland dealer and I ended up getting the TC21D brand new for about $1,000.00 less. I also ended up trusting the dealer a lot more also. So even if the New Holland would have been more I think I would have gotten it yet because of the dealer.
Well I am starting to ramble here, I hope this helps you.
Murph
ps: my neighbor did buy a 2000 JD4100 with about 250 hours on it. It had a MMM, front blade, snow blower, turf tires Hydrostatic and he paid less than 11,000.00 delivered
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Ponygirl, the 4100 (now 4110) is a heavier more durable model. Better ground clearance, 3PH and loader capacity. The extra HP may make a marginal difference in mowing, but both of these function quite well in the mowing Dept. What you need is more hydraulic capability (the 4100 has a lot more in this regard). I do agree about the toothbar-get one for digging. My recommendation: 4100 (4110) with 410 loader (54" bucket), toothbar and 60" mid-mount mower. If you can't afford this package initially, then save the mower purchase until next summer.
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Ponygirl....
I spoke to a JD technician today about unrelated matters pertaining to my 4710 and thought I'd ask him for his opinion on the dilemma you're facing. His first reaction when asked the difference between the 2210 and the 4100 is "...Not Much.." Both are comparable in size, engine and PTO HP, lift capacity, etc. He further clarified that JD introduced the 2210 to directly compete with one of the newer Kubota models that was coming out (didn't mention which one nor which features JD was trying to emulate). What was interesting though was his remarks about JD always trying to play catch-up or stay one step ahead of the orange and blue machines....just like GM tries to always be 2 steps ahead of Ford and Chrysler.
Back on track now.....most features now in the 2210 missing in the 4100 is mostly cosmetic....that is, dash indicator lights easier to read, easier maneuvering in the operator compartment, FEL joystick easier to move, and addressing a FEL problem that existed with the 4100, that is loads tending to fall out of the bucket when in a raised position and curled backwards. Loads would tend to fall onto the 4100's hood. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
In ending the discussion, he seemed to bias the 4x10 series tractors. He simply thought they were better built machines. Hope this helps you out somewhat.
.....Bob
I spoke to a JD technician today about unrelated matters pertaining to my 4710 and thought I'd ask him for his opinion on the dilemma you're facing. His first reaction when asked the difference between the 2210 and the 4100 is "...Not Much.." Both are comparable in size, engine and PTO HP, lift capacity, etc. He further clarified that JD introduced the 2210 to directly compete with one of the newer Kubota models that was coming out (didn't mention which one nor which features JD was trying to emulate). What was interesting though was his remarks about JD always trying to play catch-up or stay one step ahead of the orange and blue machines....just like GM tries to always be 2 steps ahead of Ford and Chrysler.
Back on track now.....most features now in the 2210 missing in the 4100 is mostly cosmetic....that is, dash indicator lights easier to read, easier maneuvering in the operator compartment, FEL joystick easier to move, and addressing a FEL problem that existed with the 4100, that is loads tending to fall out of the bucket when in a raised position and curled backwards. Loads would tend to fall onto the 4100's hood. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
In ending the discussion, he seemed to bias the 4x10 series tractors. He simply thought they were better built machines. Hope this helps you out somewhat.
.....Bob
