4110 keeps breaking front diff.

   / 4110 keeps breaking front diff. #1  

nhammond54

Member
Joined
Mar 25, 2010
Messages
30
Location
Taylors, SC
Tractor
2004 Mahindra 4110
Does anyone know a fix for the 4110 breaking front diff. ring gear and pinions repeatedly. Updated parts? Different parts? Parts that don't break? My parts dealer said to not run it in 4X4 so much! I thought that is why I bought a 4X4 tractor! HELP! Not running it in 4X4 on hard surfaces, just dirt!
 
   / 4110 keeps breaking front diff. #2  
I need the serial number on your tractor, and if you have industrial tires, what size are the rear tires?
 
   / 4110 keeps breaking front diff. #3  
Are you backing up hill with a full loader in 4x4?
 
   / 4110 keeps breaking front diff.
  • Thread Starter
#4  
My rear tires are 17.5X24 and my serial # is 4110 X01 0018
I hardly use my FEL, mostly working up a motocross track with a box blade or a tiller. Will use my backhoe sometimes, but not often. I have a skid steer to do most of my loader work with. I will scrape or push with the FEL sometimes, but not often.
 
   / 4110 keeps breaking front diff. #5  
IMHO, running in 4x4 mode all the time is probably the issue. Worse on highway or hard surface but it still creates a lot of stress in the drivetrain whenever you turn regardless of the surface. Most MFWD front ends are not limited slip but full, locking drive. Even when turning. I know lot of people on TBN run in constant 4x4, but IMHO don't do it. It is more strain with FEL on tractor due to the weight. We have ag tractors and do not run them in constant 4x4. It is not recommended. It creates too much stress on the drive line and excessive tire wear. Our ag tractors can be switched into 4x4 but will automatically cut out when I turn the wheels about 10-15 degrees. I can switch the front end into a constant locked mode and I do that when stuck in mud or turning in mud and need the traction. Most of my field work is done in 4x4 mode but only when going straight.
On CUTS and utility tractors, just use 4x4 when you need it or think you need it:thumbsup:
 
   / 4110 keeps breaking front diff. #6  
Some of these models had problems. Hopefully Galen will be able to help you out.
 
   / 4110 keeps breaking front diff. #7  
Does anyone know a fix for the 4110 breaking front diff. ring gear and pinions repeatedly. Updated parts? Different parts? Parts that don't break? My parts dealer said to not run it in 4X4 so much! I thought that is why I bought a 4X4 tractor! HELP! Not running it in 4X4 on hard surfaces, just dirt!

I don't have to much for answers for you, the front axil on your tractor is the later heavier duty axil, but Mahindra did change the rear tire size to 16.9 x 24 which decreased the stress on the 4WD by a slight amount. I have sold a lot of 4110's through the years and haven't had any situations of front gear problems, as of yet. Cross my fingers, tomorrow is another day.
 
   / 4110 keeps breaking front diff. #8  
One thing that will help is to load the rear tires. This will help balance out the tractor and relieve stress on the front end when doing loader work.
 
   / 4110 keeps breaking front diff.
  • Thread Starter
#9  
My Mahindra parts dealer said he had a landscape guy that was putting a new front diff. once a month in his 4110 for awhile.
 
   / 4110 keeps breaking front diff. #10  
Just another question, are the ring and pinion being set up right when they are being replaced?
I wasn't saying that I have never heard of any problems, just that I haven't had any hands on experience with it. Maybe Skipmarcy will chime in here, as he has had some front axil problems, only he was breaking shafts and his has the earlier front axil assy. Also I believe he has changed his rear tire size.
 
   / 4110 keeps breaking front diff.
  • Thread Starter
#11  
When I replaced the first front diff. assembly, I thought I was going to have to shim it to get the right set up. But I was told that you had to buy the whole assembly and it was already a matched set. I was a little concerned about that claim, but when installed and checked, it was good. Wanted to be sure so I took it to a local shop that is all they do is set up transmissions and rear ends on everything from tractor trailers to tractors. They checked it and said everything was just as it should be, so off I went to put it back together.
 
   / 4110 keeps breaking front diff. #12  
My tractor was built in 2001, I bought new in Feb 2002 with 3.2 hrs on the clock. It came with the 17.5L tires on the rear. I've always worked my tractor hard but a stickler on maintenance, many say I abuse it and I admit it. I used to break front axle shafts and countershafts in the outdrives pretty regularly, I keep one of each just in case. I worked my tractor for a living from 2003 until 2008 and used it where another piece of equipment would have been proper but I went ahead and got the job done with my little 4110.

My front diff. went down July of 2006, at 1149 hrs on the clock. The studs that the ring gear are mounted to loosened/broke and came apart. Luckily I was able to stop the tractor right away and I didn't do any damage to the bearings, gears or seals and my repair was fairly cheap. It was labor intensive with all the cleaning - you must clean the whole banjo housing out perfectly as well as the small parts and like Galen says - you need to know how to set a differential up properly. A tractor's slower speeds will give you some slight leeway but not alot, you still need to have it set right with the stresses. I pretty much attributed the diff failure to all those axle snaps - lots of shock when that thick axle snaps.

Then, in May of 2007 with 1299 hrs on the clock I had to do a rear split on the tractor to replace a disintegrated bearing on the rearmost 4wd shaft that gets it's power from the rear pinion shaft. The bearing was like $3.96 at NAPA, but the labor was killer !! Not counting hydraulic filters & fluid. While in there I also replaced the small gear that slides on that 4wd shaft and the shift fork that actually works in a groove on this gear - there is a gear on the main pinion shaft that this gear engages when you operate the 4wd shifter. This shift fork bends fairly easily - it doesn't take hardly any pressure on the shifter to flex the finger of this fork - you must be very gentle in shifting in & out of 4wd by rocking the tractor between forward and reverse. When I operate anything on my hitch I always turn in the seat and my left hip/leg would always be touching the 4wd shifter and sometimes pretty hard. After bending my second fork I finally took the shifter off and heated it and bent it away towards the fender so my leg doesn't touch it and am very gentle with 4wd shifts. I've always run mine in 4wd unless on hard surface, early on I thought this might have been part of my front end problems but more recent things seem to disprove that.

After all this between 2006 - 2007, I finally broke-down and spent the money to replace my rear tires as finally recommended by Mahindra to the 16.9x24 size in July of 2007 with 1337 hrs. I replaced the fronts too and stuck with the original size of 12-16.5 so tire diameters were correct. I haven't broken a single thing in the driveline since I put the tires on and I now have 1809 hrs on the clock. I still work the tractor hard, like a little bulldozer and everything else and I keep it in 4wd except on pavement and I do drive it about 10 miles total a year on the road. Maybe I've just been lucky the last 472 hours. I still have my spare axles .....
 
   / 4110 keeps breaking front diff. #13  
But I was told that you had to buy the whole assembly and it was already a matched set.
That just means the ring and pinion are a proper matched set not that it doesn't need to be setup properly. Ring and pinions are not interchangeable, when you break one, you throw out the other.
 
Last edited:
   / 4110 keeps breaking front diff. #14  
I don't have to much for answers for you, the front axil on your tractor is the later heavier duty axil, but Mahindra did change the rear tire size to 16.9 x 24 which decreased the stress on the 4WD by a slight amount. I have sold a lot of 4110's through the years and haven't had any situations of front gear problems, as of yet. Cross my fingers, tomorrow is another day.
If they were running 17.5" rears and went to 16.9 and it reduced stress then the 17.5s must be pushing the fronts. How horrible. Handling/steering in 4wd must suck with the bigger tires.
larry
 

Tractor & Equipment Auctions

2014 Freightliner 105' Bucket Truck (A56438)
2014 Freightliner...
(INOP) 2019 KUBOTA SVL 95-2S SKID STEER (A52707)
(INOP) 2019 KUBOTA...
30ft Highway Trailer Co. Lowboy (A56438)
30ft Highway...
2007 MACK CTP713 TRI AXLE DUMP TRUCK (A59575)
2007 MACK CTP713...
2014 Nissan Rgue SUV (A59231)
2014 Nissan Rgue...
Case 1083 20ft Corn Head (A56438)
Case 1083 20ft...
 
Top