425 A Taskmaster (DongFeng ?) with Y385 engine

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Gramps in NM

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Mimbres NM USA
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Ford 8n, 2005 Taskmaster (Dongfeng)
Just purchased 2005 unit with manuals, however can find no reference in manuals to the following.
Fluids-have found info on net
Location of sensors-fuel level-oil pressure-temp- and so on
believe I have found fuel shutoff but the "T" handle seems to be reversed from what I consider normal
I no nothing about diesels having only owned gas tractors so
where is the injector pump and what needs to be done with it, it seems it requires oil-right?
Manuals are almost worthless for all the relativly simple things.
any and all info welcome
Thanks
Gramps
 
   / 425 A Taskmaster (DongFeng ?) with Y385 engine #2  
-Sensors
(a) coolant temp; adjacent to thermostat housing
(b) fuel: in tank
(c) oil pressure; side of engine block
-Fuel shut-off is a pull cable, looks like a choke pull
-What you're calling a T-handle is the compression release
-Injection pump is part of the fuel delivery assembly, located front left side of engine block
-IP lube oil drains out the bottom, fills by removing the mushroom shaped fill/vent on top of governor. Some have dipstick, others have 2nd drain plug on the side. On that type, remove the side plug and fill from the top until it comes out the side. 15W40 engine oil or 30W compressor oil is recommended

//greg//
 
   / 425 A Taskmaster (DongFeng ?) with Y385 engine
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#3  
Thanks for the help. Have some of it worked out, oil press for one. The "T" valve is in a fuel line I'm quite sure, although it is hard to see. Can't find any cable type affair at this point. On top of the fuel injector is a nurled knob that when turned out has a spring under it, have not had it all the way out, seems tight, could this be the fill point for compressor oil? I was not aware there was a compression release on this unit. Could be some stuff only applicable to certain end brands. Does this have a governor and if so is that where the RPM indicator gets it input. My RPM goes strange at times as does the ammeter. Have not yet had time to chase this stuff down.
Thanks again
Gramps
 
   / 425 A Taskmaster (DongFeng ?) with Y385 engine #4  
Well, I gave you the configuration based upon the "Y385" in your topic title. But the description of a "knurled knob" suggests an engine other than the Y385. What exactly does it say on the engine label (typically tacked either to the valve cover or the side of the engine block).?

And no, the tach sending unit is typically screwed into the side of the bellhousing where it detects a pulse from the spinning flywheel. Erratic movement is usually a function of the sensor position. Too close to the flywheel and the sensor will be damaged/destroyed. Too far away, it doesn't generate the desired 1 pulse per revolution. Locate and remove the sending unit, inspect the sensor tip for damage. If ok, screw it back in until you feel it touch the flywheel. Back it off 1/2 to 3/4 turn, lock it down.

Fuel cutoff linkages can in fact differ among diesel tractors, but all still lead to the governor. That's where the fuel is ultimately shut off to kill the engine. Compression release linkages vary as well, but all eventually lead to the valve cover - typically on the aft end. The ammeter is typically fed by the alternator. Your problem could be as simple as a loose connection.

//greg//
 
   / 425 A Taskmaster (DongFeng ?) with Y385 engine
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Thanks again for the response and help. The block is stamper with Y385, there is a plate on the valve cover that says DONGFENG, and states the machine meets all OSHA requirements. I found the RPM sensor as you stated it's location and found a corroded connector. Fixed- My ammeter off/on again was a loose connection on the back of the gage. I'll have to take a picture of the injector pump area but I think I'm working some of it out. Located the temp sensor. Will try to check on compression release today but don't believe I have such a critter. The is for sure a (T handle) valve in the fuel line, tank to injector pump I think it's called. It has been cross ways to the line all this time, may not be working, might try turning it the other way but leary of what may happen by running it out of fuel.
I'm slowly getting there.
Thanks again
Gramps
 
   / 425 A Taskmaster (DongFeng ?) with Y385 engine #6  
On my 385 the Knurled Knob is a primmer pump. Give it a quarter turn and it pops up and you can prime your fuel system if you ever run out of fuel, change the fuel filter, ect.

My "T" handle is a fuel cut off. Simply pull it out till the engine stops and then shut the key off. Its spring loaded back in on mine.

Chris
 
   / 425 A Taskmaster (DongFeng ?) with Y385 engine #7  
Gramps,

The knurled knob on the injection pump is the handle for the priming pump. As Chris noted, you unscrew until it pops up a bit and then pump it like a bicycle pump to push fuel from the fuel line to the injector pump. You should only need to do this if you have run the tractor out of fuel somehow. If the "T" handle thing you have is actually a shut-off valve in a fuel line, you don't want to shut it off or you might inadvertently run the engine with it off and thereby lose the prime in your fuel system. A fuel shut-off in a fuel line (hose) is NOT the normal way to kill the engine. (Stay tuned for more on that.)

Your "injector pump assembly" actually has more than one section. There is the "lift pump" section that moves the fuel from the fuel line to the high pressure pump (the priming pump is part of this); there is the injection pump itself, which is the high pressure pump that moves the fuel under very high pressure from the injection pump assembly to the injectors themselves; there is the "governor section" of the system that controls the amount of fuel delivered to the engine. It does this by a system of fly weights that move a "rack" that meters the amount of fuel delivered by the injector pump. The tractor's throttle is connected to the governor section and adjusts the setting of the governor - increase the throttle and the governor will allow the IP to deliver more fuel up to a point - when that point is reached, the governor does not deliver any additional fuel. If the engine is bogged down, the governor will automatically increase the fuel delivery until the engine comes back up to the throttle setting.

Since a diesel has no "ignition" as such, the only way to stop one is to either shut off the fuel or shut off the air. Therefore, attached to the governor section of the IP assembly is a cable that pulls the governor rack back to a "no fuel" condition - this is the engine cut-off that you normally use to stop the engine. On my Jinma 304 that engine cut-off is located under the dash (cowling) on the left hand side - mine is a T-shaped black plastic handle like you would see for a hood release or some such on an older car. Yours may look different but is probably in somewhat the same location since this allows easy cable routing to where it attaches to the governor assembly. This cable is spring-loaded so you pull it out to kill the engine and then it springs back in so the governor can operate normally. The key switch on the dash only controls the starter and various electrical components, it has no function of stopping the engine on most diesel tractors.

To check the oil on your injection pump assembly you unscrew the little "mushroom-looking" cap on the top of it - this is actually a breather cap and the fill point for the oil in the injector assembly. Some pumps have a dipstick on the underside of that cap and others don't. If it does, follow the dipstick mark. If it doesn't, then there is a bolt that you remove to determine the "full" level - when it is full, oil will pee out the bolt hole. There are also one or two drain plugs on the bottom of the pump and governor assembly for draining the oil. It is a good idea to drain and refill the injector pump oil every six months or fifty hours of use.

If you have a digital camera, take a picture of the side of your engine showing the injector pump assembly and post it here. Then we can identify the various injector pump assembly parts for you on the photo. If possible, take photos that shows it from the top, side and bottom. If you can't post the photos for some reason, you can email them to me or one of the others and we'll help you. That's what this forum is for, after all. :thumbsup:

The compression release on my tractor is a metal rod lever located under the right side of the dash (cowling). It is grasped and rotated clockwise a quarter turn or so to release the compression. It does so by connecting to another rod that passes through the back end of the rocker cover and then connecting to a "treadle" in the valve spring assembly that opens all the exhaust valves at once. It is used to relieve engine compression to allow the engine to turn over more easily for starting in cold weather. Someone who has to contend with cold weather can describe the cold-weather starting drill for you - i live in the tropics and don' tdo that cold stuff.

Hope this clears some things up for you and makes your tractor experience a bit less frustrating.

Rich
 
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   / 425 A Taskmaster (DongFeng ?) with Y385 engine #8  
Ok, I get the knurled knob thing now. That it was described as "On top of the fuel injector" was what had me scratchin' my head.

//greg//
 
   / 425 A Taskmaster (DongFeng ?) with Y385 engine
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Wonderful expanations. a few points I had worked out myself this morning but this clarifies everything. I had followed all the fuel lines from end to end this AM and that helped. I had found the lever for decompression but not determined what it was for. Was hard to follow. Now know what the knurled knob is for, great. Still not sure how to get the mushroom off, had thought perhaps it was a fill point but did not want to force anything so that is still an unknown. The T handle valve in the fuel line is a shutoff and I had resolved not to turn it off and see if I was right. Glad I did not, as was pointed out it would only cause problems. I have 3 manuals from the
PO (noticed they say taskmaster 426, but think printing error ) but none of this is covered anywhere so I am especially grateful for all the help. Sure is a lot different than my 8N.
Thanks for sure
Gramps
 
   / 425 A Taskmaster (DongFeng ?) with Y385 engine
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#10  
Forgot to add this to my last post. I do know where the kill switch is and it does work fine. Another question, under the seat is a large black knob that I believe controls the pressure for the 3 point. Is this correct? and if so how does it work? what direction do you turn it for what?
thanks in advance
 

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