425 Engine Swap idea

   / 425 Engine Swap idea #2  
I think it is the Robin engines, not the Kohlers that are having problems. ;)
 
   / 425 Engine Swap idea #3  
A Chinese 10 HP diesel in my machine. I don't thinks so, Al. ;)

Definitely not more power.
 
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I guess I should have clarified myself.

I have not seen a smaller diesel engine that looks similar in design to the Robins / Koehler. Wasn't the Chinese thing as much as it being diesel. Given the reliability of Robins the cninese may actually not be a bad idea.

that said, something now for me to learn. Isn't 10hp Diesel a way stronger engine than a 18hp Gas? I mean you are slinging pumps, not going to the races, so the torque of the diesel outweighs the HP of the gas?
 
   / 425 Engine Swap idea #5  
I think a 10HP diesel would come no where close to an 18HP gas for our purposes. Look at it this way....

10HP is 10HP no matter if it is made by a diesel or gas engine.
 
   / 425 Engine Swap idea #6  
I think a 10HP diesel would come no where close to an 18HP gas for our purposes. Look at it this way....

10HP is 10HP no matter if it is made by a diesel or gas engine.

I have often wondered about the comparison between the 1445 diesel and my 1445 industrial gas engine PT. Maybe they matched up the hydraulics motors to the rpm and the torque curve. The 45 hp diesel machine has a higher load lifting capacity than my 1445 gas model, but that could be due to larger lifting cylinders. I could intall a larger steering and lift pump. I think the travel speed is the same. So, which is better? I believe my PT is about 20 years old. Now, are we talking about longevity, or fuel economy, or power. The diesel develops it's power at low rpm, whereas the gas engine develops it's peak HP at high rpm. I supposed by using gears, or variable speed transmissions, you could match up one machine to another, just to see if they can get the job done. Which would be more expensive to rebuild? What was the initial cost on the engines?

If you want pure brute power, the diesel wins. They are used in just about everything, except planes.
 
   / 425 Engine Swap idea #7  
JJ has a point about the high torque at low rpms. With the diesel 1445, I often set the govenor to mid or low rpms, and go about my work, letting the govenor keep the engine working well.

Only mowing, rototilling or steep slopes cause me to break out the high rpm WOT. Almost everything else gets done at half throttle or less. Just enough to keep the engine from bogging down.

All the best,

Peter
 
   / 425 Engine Swap idea #8  
Yep. Diesels tend to run lower RPMs and are more fuel efficient. For our purposes on the Power Tracs, we need an engine to turn our pumps at a certain RPM to make maximum hydraulic flow. You could gear a diesel or gas engine to get that pump to turn at the proper RPM. So, again, HP is HP no matter what produces it. However, once you put a load on it, the diesel will be able to keep it in the max HP range easier than the gas because of the longer crank arms on a diesel, more torque over a wider range of RPMs, etc.... all that stuff that I am still learning regarding diesel VS gas.

However, I purposely looked for and bought a tractor with a gas engine. Why? Because I have never failed to get a gas engine to start in the winter, when I need it most, to plow snow, so I can get to work. I have on many occassions failed to get a diesel to start in the winter due to fuel problems, no pre heating, etc... plus, once diesel fuel gets on you or your clothes, you smell like a garage mechanic. Lord help you if you sit on the wife's couch with diesel on your pants. :)

For large machinery, large pickup trucks, professionally used equipment etc... diesel wins for power and longevity. For a 1500 pound yard tractor like my PT425 that only gets 50-60 hours of use a year at most, I could not justifiy the added cost of a diesel engine. I understand gas engines and I can repair gas engines. The Kohler engines had good reputations, are easy to work on, parts are plentiful and repair shops are abundant if I get stumped.
 
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Moss

I just noticed your end icon that now moves (or did it always?)

Very cool
 

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