Bob_Skurka
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Mike, generally I like the NH design better than the Deere design, I think the combination of the hood slope and curved loaders offers somewhat better visibility than the newly designed Deere hood hood slope and somewhat curved loader arms. The reality is that the lower arm section being curved is less important than the upper part, so I think JD has a good design.
But in the case of BOTH companies, I don't understand why they don't duplicate their commercial loader designs, which are not curved, but are very low profile, offering even better visibility than the curved design. . . but that is another discussion!
The loader arms I really dislike are the old dogleg style, but if that is not bad enough, go take a look at the DK Kioti series loaders, the loaders on the M series Kubotas, and the entire line of Mahindra loaders and most lesser brand loaders. For the most part those all are positioned well above the hood of the tractors, and the worst offenders to destroy front visibility are the loaders which have dual tube designs with a round cylinder over a rectangular tube. After using the curved arms I am sold on the design as a dramatic improvement, mostly because it makes work easier and faster to accomplish.
<font color="red"> We can talk about this here till we are blue in the face, but the fact of the matter is that until there is a lawsuit about this they are going to keep pushing the envelope with what can be slipped into the marketing literature.
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Neil, there is no question that this issue comes up on TBN constantly and no question that there is a huge amount of confusion. The reality is that LOTS of tractor companies are doing this. . . not that that clarifies anything to consumers, nor does it help anything for consumers who unknowingly purchased a loader that they thought would meet their needs but doesn't.
But in the case of BOTH companies, I don't understand why they don't duplicate their commercial loader designs, which are not curved, but are very low profile, offering even better visibility than the curved design. . . but that is another discussion!
The loader arms I really dislike are the old dogleg style, but if that is not bad enough, go take a look at the DK Kioti series loaders, the loaders on the M series Kubotas, and the entire line of Mahindra loaders and most lesser brand loaders. For the most part those all are positioned well above the hood of the tractors, and the worst offenders to destroy front visibility are the loaders which have dual tube designs with a round cylinder over a rectangular tube. After using the curved arms I am sold on the design as a dramatic improvement, mostly because it makes work easier and faster to accomplish.
<font color="red"> We can talk about this here till we are blue in the face, but the fact of the matter is that until there is a lawsuit about this they are going to keep pushing the envelope with what can be slipped into the marketing literature.
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Neil, there is no question that this issue comes up on TBN constantly and no question that there is a huge amount of confusion. The reality is that LOTS of tractor companies are doing this. . . not that that clarifies anything to consumers, nor does it help anything for consumers who unknowingly purchased a loader that they thought would meet their needs but doesn't.
