4310 or 4410 Help me decide!!

[bebster]

I can tell you that with the MX5 on my 4410 that it never once struggled during a 90 degree day. With the 6.6 acres you have, you should be fine with the 4310 and MX5. The advantage of the 4410 is you probably can go over brush just a little bit faster without getting the engine lugging. So you might save a few hours of time overall, but pay a few thousand dollars to do so. So that's the real tradeoff. Probably not a good one in your case (i.e. the 4410 is more of a bonus HP vs necessity). If you had 5 times the acreage, then 5 times the time savings might justify the added cost.

But once you cut it, it will be a lot easier to maintain going forward, and then the 4310 should do just fine going forward.

Also, Deere lists the MX5 as compatible with the 4310, and they're usually pretty reliable in these recommendations.

 

[_RaT_]

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but in my own experience and therefore my own opinion, the HP issue is often overated. Perhaps the difference is where I live as well. Our grasses are pretty dry so for mowing purposes, it does not seem to eat up that much HP. I wonder sometimes if manufactuers don't simply throw out several of what are essentially the same tractor with a slightly bumped engine simply to enhance the product line and remain competitive choice wise with the othe manufactuers. It makes sense, if you look at JD you have the 4310 and 4410 while Kubota essentially markets the L3130, 3430 and 3830. All three are very similar and quite frankly, they could easily eliminate one and never see dimished sales. If I was looking at the 4310 and 4410 I would probably go for the 4310 and get a nice extra attachment. Now if the 4410 came with a next size up loader, that would be a different story altogether. It's always tempting to get more, if you choose the 4410, my next question would be, why not just get the 4510 and get a much higher capacity loader.

 

[bebster]

The only real difference I could find after lots of research is that the 4410 engine is the same as the 4310, just bored out a little more to give it the extra 3 HP. Other than that, the tractor frames are identical. The 4410 is the most powerful engine in the "mid-size" chassis range, with the next step being to the "large-size" range. That gives you a bigger/heavier frame on which a larger engine is mounted.

Engine torque goes from 73 to 81 ft-lbs from the 4310 to the 4410, which is expected with the HP increase.

The PTO HP is 25 for the 4310 vs 28 for the 4410. The extra HP might make a difference for some larger implements (like a tiller for example), but if such an implement is not in the picture, then the 25HP would suffice. The extra 3HP gives you some flexibility down the road in case your needs change.

However, they both have the same hydraulic pump, so the extra HP doesn't translate into more lifting capacity at either the FEL or 3PH. So that's not a reason to step up to the 4410.

The HP only ends up at the wheels and the PTO, so that's the only place you'll experience it. I find that on my 4410 that the wheels spin before the engine lugs when pushing a big brush pile, meaning that traction is more a limitation for me than HP. (that's with a 48BH and FEL mounted, so I'm pretty well weighted, although I could weight it more I guess if I really wanted to by filling the tires or using wheel weights).

In short, if I had 4310 instead of the 4410 I don't think it would make much of a difference (except that I could afford one more implement). And this probably explains the popularity of the 4310.

 

[rockyridgefarm]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( And this probably explains the popularity of the 4310 )</font>

Actually its our cool <font color="green">Club4310</font> that EVERYONE wants to join that drives the popularity of the 4310 /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Its scary when i agree with RaT, but there really could easily be about a third as many models. I am guessing there is a shakeout coming in the lineups of Deere and NH at least. I heard that the 2210 will replace the 4010/4110. I would not be surprised to see the 4210 and 4510 go away either. I am not suggesting that these aren't great tractors, but rather: So much is driven by marketing, and perceived value. The price points aren't determined by cost of manufacture plus a certain margin. But most people (including the manufactuers) want to see the tractor on the dealer's lot . With so many choices, it gets difficult to manage. Especially with the current trend to push for both smaller (2210) and Bigger (Class IV Boomers...)

 

[_RaT_]

What are you talking about? "It's scary when I agree with RaT"? Hey, I told you, the yellow seat is just delightful when I put on my blue/grey tint sunglasses.

 

[bebster]

Believe me, I thought long and hard about the 4310 Club before buying the 4410. But I think I saw a post that said that 4410 owners could joins as well. I sure hope that was right or else I'll have to trade in!

 

[rockyridgefarm]

We were making exceptions, then rancar wanted us to let his 4710 in and then there was this <font color="orange">3410</font>...

You're right, 4410ers are welcome!

 

[Waldo]

Ok, I think we have a winner.... Club 4310 !/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I think (for my application) that both of these are overkill, and I know for a fact that I will wimp out of work in 100+ deg heat before the tractor will. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Now I need to wait for the owner of the land to come up from Texas so we can make a deal. I hate having to live life one step at a time /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Thanks every one /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

[rockyridgefarm]

Good for You!! (I'd say that for either...)

I bought my land from them there texicans, weren't bad 'tall

Hope it goes swell for you. Being from Michigan, aren't you gonna get a snow thrower? That way you won't have to wait till 11:00 for the sun to clear your drive... /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

 

[bebster]

Congratulations! Good luck on the land offer. What attachments are you also thinking about?