5 extra hp

[bubba43]

I'm looking at the NX 4510 and the NX5010. Main uses will be loader, boxblade, and backhoe work. My property is hilly with 90 percent woods. The only time that I would use the PTO would be for tilling and occasional mowing at my brothers property.
I'm just debating if 5hp is worth the extra money.

 

[K5lwq]

How much more for the extra 5hp? Are you looking at HST or Geared? It is nice having the extra power when you need it and doesn't hurt having it when you don't.

 

[oosik]

Wider rear tires for increased stability on the hills, extra weight in( RimGuard ) or on( wheel weights ) the tires for stability & traction, extra tractor weight for more grunt/traction/pull, counter weight on the 3-point for loader use. You may never notice the extra 5 hp regardless of the price.

Consider all this and, also, which tractor "fits" you best.

 

[K5lwq]

I turned the fuel up on my LK2554 and gained maybe 5hp. I notice a difference.

When mowing thick grass up the small grade on my property, I would lose about 200 engine RPM. After turning up, I don't see any loss in RPM in the same conditions. Also, when running shredder in tall stuff, I would have to drop to low 2nd. Now I can stay in low 4th.

Just my experience. However, I do agree that you will not notice the difference unless you have both tractors doing the same task with the same implement.

 

[bubba43]

How much more for the extra 5hp? Are you looking at HST or Geared? It is nice having the extra power when you need it and doesn't hurt having it when you don't.

Its $1600 more for the extra 5hp. I am looking at the HST do to the amount of loader/grapple work that I will be doing. I wonder what the torque difference is.

 

[K5lwq]

11.42 ft lbs at 2300 RPM.

So if you put 1000 hrs on the tractor it would cost you $1.60 per hour more. I would get the extra 5hp.

 

[bubba43]

K5lwq. If you don't mind me asking, where did you find the torque specs?

 

[K5lwq]

Torque ft lbs = HP x 5252/RPM so 5 x 5252 = 26260/2300 = 11.42 ft lbs rounded to hundreds place.

 

[bubba43]

Thank you sir.

 

[Amvcane]

Here is a Kioti engine brochure with engine power curves. Not sure if it is valid any more. I think you are looking at the F series.

View attachment Kioti Engine Specs 2015 Daedong-Kioti-Data3.pdfView attachment Kioti Engine Specs 2015 Daedong-Kioti-Data3.pdf

Whoops, just noticed the curves are not for the 40 to 55 hp range.

 

[K5lwq]

Your welcome.

 

[Threepoint]

I'm looking at the NX 4510 and the NX5010. Main uses will be loader, boxblade, and backhoe work. My property is hilly with 90 percent woods. The only time that I would use the PTO would be for tilling and occasional mowing at my brothers property.
I'm just debating if 5hp is worth the extra money.

Bubba43, I've had my NX410HST cab for almost six years (and love it), so will offer my thoughts on this. As you probably know, the NX4510HST and NX5010HST are identical tractors, with the only difference being the ECU tuning for fuel delivery by the common rail injection system. So, you are correct to ask if the 5 hp increase, alone, is worth the additional $1,600.

For more stability on your hilly property, I'm assuming you'll go with R3 or R4 tires for their greater width, and also have the rears filled. With respect to FEL and backhoe performance, I don't think there would be any difference at all between the two models. Ditto when using a grapple on your FEL, as you'll likely want one if 90 percent of your property is woods.

Your third main use, grading with a box blade, is a different story, IMO, and the hilly conditions that you have change the analysis for me. With a fully loaded box blade, and even more so with your scarifiers down, an increase of 5 hp would allow you to work a little bit faster. It would also be noticeable climbing hills in medium range, with or without the box blade.

Unless the $1,600 up-charge would be really painful for you right now, I think I'd opt for the NX5010HST. You'd never regret having the additional hp available, and after a few months the pain of the upcharge will likely be a faint memory. :laughing:

 

[bubba43]

Bubba43, I've had my NX410HST cab for almost six years (and love it), so will offer my thoughts on this. As you probably know, the NX4510HST and NX5010HST are identical tractors, with the only difference being the ECU tuning for fuel delivery by the common rail injection system. So, you are correct to ask if the 5 hp increase, alone, is worth the additional $1,600.

For more stability on your hilly property, I'm assuming you'll go with R3 or R4 tires for their greater width, and also have the rears filled. With respect to FEL and backhoe performance, I don't think there would be any difference at all between the two models. Ditto when using a grapple on your FEL, as you'll likely want one if 90 percent of your property is woods.

Your third main use, grading with a box blade, is a different story, IMO, and the hilly conditions that you have change the analysis for me. With a fully loaded box blade, and even more so with your scarifiers down, an increase of 5 hp would allow you to work a little bit faster. It would also be noticeable climbing hills in medium range, with or without the box blade.

Unless the $1,600 up-charge would be really painful for you right now, I think I'd opt for the NX5010HST. You'd never regret having the additional hp available, and after a few months the pain of the upcharge will likely be a faint memory. :laughing:

I am going with R4 tires, I might even try and get the new R14 tires, loaded of course, if I can work it out with the dealer. The $1600 up charge could be used for an implement, which could be purchased at a later date.
I think that I'm going with the 5010. Now I need to find a dealer that has one in stock. The dealers that are an hour or closer to me do not have any in stock, only cab versions.
If anybody has had a good experience with any dealers local to zip 17267, please let me know. I am willing to travel for a good deal.

 

[K5lwq]

I think you will be happy with your choice. I don't know any dealers in your area but, if you like your local dealer, you might ask how long it would take if he orders what you want. At any rate, post pictures when you get it home! :thumbsup:

 

[Threepoint]

I think you will be happy with your choice. I don't know any dealers in your area but, if you like your local dealer, you might ask how long it would take if he orders what you want. At any rate, post pictures when you get it home! :thumbsup:

This. Dealer distance and location isn't critical to warranty service once you get the tractor to the shop, but having a good relationship with your local dealer and his/her personnel from the beginning can pay off big time later on, in various ways. Unless we're talking more than a month, I'd sure try to work locally. JMO.

 

[bubba43]

My local dealer is 10 miles from my house. They have always been good at getting parts for my CK 30 in a timely matter. I spoke with the owners son on Thursday and he me told that they have some on order, but that they wont be in for a couple of months.
I really need to sit on one and get a good grasp on the size difference. I'm a little concerned about using it in my woods due to the larger size. My little 30 has done everything that I've asked of it, but does struggle at times. Especially when pulling logs up the hills out of the woods.The bigger tractor will do this more easily and I can pull the whole tree at one time compared to making three trips.

 

[orezok]

Torque ft lbs = HP x 5252/RPM so 5 x 5252 = 26260/2300 = 11.42 ft lbs rounded to hundreds place.

I dont believe that formula works for diesel, only gas. Diesels are low RPM high torque engines.

 

[fried1765]

My local dealer is 10 miles from my house. They have always been good at getting parts for my CK 30 in a timely matter. I spoke with the owners son on Thursday and he me told that they have some on order, but that they wont be in for a couple of months.
I really need to sit on one and get a good grasp on the size difference. I'm a little concerned about using it in my woods due to the larger size. My little 30 has done everything that I've asked of it, but does struggle at times. Especially when pulling logs up the hills out of the woods.The bigger tractor will do this more easily and I can pull the whole tree at one time compared to making three trips.

Dealer...Dealer...Dealer......it is said throughout TBN
I have bought many cars in my lifetime. I can recall only one time needing the dealer...Peugeot diesel (POS)
I have three tractors all bought used.
None has ever been to a dealer.
Any necessary parts come by UPS from Messick's...450 miles away.
I have an equipment trailer, and can take any tractor with issues, to any shop I might want. Most everyone with a tractor SHOULD have a trailer.
A dealer to me, is as worthless as **** on a boar pig!

For those with a Tier IV tractor though,it might be best if the dealer is your next door neighbor.

 

[K5lwq]

I dont believe that formula works for diesel, only gas. Diesels are low RPM high torque engines.

I am pretty sure power is power regardless of how it is produced.

 

[K5lwq]

Dealer...Dealer...Dealer
I have bought many cars in my lifetime. I can recall only one time needing the dealer...Peugeot diesel (POS)
I have three tractors all bought used.
None has ever been to a dealer.
Any necessary parts come by UPS from Messick's...450 miles away.
I have an equipment trailer, and everyone with a tractor SHOULD have a trailer.
A dealer to me is as worthless as **** on a boar pig!

But isn't Messick's a dealer?