5045e loosing power & smokes

[JPCole]

Thanks and this is my 1st post!

I have a 2000 John Deere 5045e with just a little bit more than 900 hours that has started giving me an issue! After about 1 1/2 - 2 hours of running, it will start loosing power and start blowing white smoke from the exhaust! After it sits for a while and cools down, it runs fine again until about that same hour and a half to two hours! Any idea about what’s happening would be greatly appreciated! I’m not an excellent mechanic but I have done mechanic work on tanks and artillery while serving in the army! This tractor reminds me of a vehicle that we called “wet stacking”! NOT SURE about tractors though! Thanks in advance!

JP

 

[Lineman North Florida]

Could be a fuel restriction. Have you changed the fuel filter? Also does it have a secondary in-line filter for a fuel cooler that you may not be aware of.

 

[JPCole]

I have changed the fuel filter but not aware of an inline fuel filter! I will check to see if it does! Thanks for the reply! I was scared it may be a cracked head or a head gasket…but not seeing any water in the oil at all!

 

[dodge man]

I’d also check for fuel flow. When it does this remove the filter and turn the fuel back on, it should flow well. Also like already said make sure there isn’t a second filter. The lift pump would be another thing to check. The lift pump is a small pump that gets fuel to the main injector. You should hear it clicking when you turn the key on but don’t start it.

 

[JPCole]

Dave….I don’t hear ANY kind of clicking when I turn the key on and not start the engine! You mentioned that I SHOULD hear a clicking sound? And the lift pump…what exactly does that do? Supply fuel to the main injectors…NOT the injector pump?

 

[Harry in Ky]

I don't think the 5045e goes back to a 2000 model, but an early model (tier two emissions) will not have a lift pump. Just a hand primer on top of the filter base, and it won't click. This system relies on gravity and the transfer pump in the injection pump for the entire supply. The absence of the lift pump does increase chances of the symptoms you describe.

You might consider investigating the flow directly from the tank, possibly draining the tank, removing and examining item #39 on this diagram.

https://partscatalog.deere.com/jdrc/sidebyside/equipment/70048/referrer/navigation/pgId/172574700

 

[dodge man]

It looks lije yours probably doesn’t have a lift pump.

 

[dodge man]

I do see a part number 39 in the diagram Harry posted. It’s a strainer in the fuel tank. It could be that is gunned up and needs cleaned.

 

[Lineman North Florida]

That filter/strainer in the tank is the route I went when mine started losing power , so I dropped the tank after draining it and knew right away after pulling the strainer/filter that that wasn't my problem, that's when I got to tracing fuel lines from the tank to the filter housing with a manual pump and from there up towards the radiator where I found a small in-line filter at the fuel cooler and that was what it was, on mine anyway, it's a 2011 5093E Limited, I'm not saying that yours has that filter but I would sure rule it out before I drained that tank.

 

[JPCole]

I don't think the 5045e goes back to a 2000 model, but an early model (tier two emissions) will not have a lift pump. Just a hand primer on top of the filter base, and it won't click. This system relies on gravity and the transfer pump in the injection pump for the entire supply. The absence of the lift pump does increase chances of the symptoms you describe.

You might consider investigating the flow directly from the tank, possibly draining the tank, removing and examining item #39 on this diagram.

https://partscatalog.deere.com/jdrc/sidebyside/equipment/70048/referrer/navigation/pgId/172574700

Harry, I did go out and look at mine and you’re right…it only has the hand primer on top of the fuel filter base! I remember that because when I changed the fuel filter, I had to pump that to prime the system back up so it would crank! I will look into that strainer as well! I have attached a picture of my serial number so I may not be reading my year model right! I thought it was a 2000 year model!

 

[JPCole]

That filter/strainer in the tank is the route I went when mine started losing power , so I dropped the tank after draining it and knew right away after pulling the strainer/filter that that wasn't my problem, that's when I got to tracing fuel lines from the tank to the filter housing with a manual pump and from there up towards the radiator where I found a small in-line filter at the fuel cooler and that was what it was, on mine anyway, it's a 2011 5093E Limited, I'm not saying that yours has that filter but I would sure rule it out before I drained that tank.

I surely will!

 

[JPCole]

I don't think the 5045e goes back to a 2000 model, but an early model (tier two emissions) will not have a lift pump. Just a hand primer on top of the filter base, and it won't click. This system relies on gravity and the transfer pump in the injection pump for the entire supply. The absence of the lift pump does increase chances of the symptoms you describe.

You might consider investigating the flow directly from the tank, possibly draining the tank, removing and examining item #39 on this diagram.

https://partscatalog.deere.com/jdrc/sidebyside/equipment/70048/referrer/navigation/pgId/172574700

Harry….just did some reading and I GUESS the SN tells the year it was made! As far as I can tell…I BELIEVE the last “0” in the SN tells what year and according to JohnDeere website it was the 1st year model…which would make it a 2012… I TTHINK! LOLOL…do you know for sure?

 

[Harry in Ky]

I have no way to track your serial number. I'm just going on experience and model year 2000 sounds way too early for that series tractor. 2012 sounds much more likely. I don't see many 5045 models, the 5055e and 5065e are much more common in this area.

If this were a tier 4 tractor I wouldn't be responding here as I don't work on anything newer than 2014 tractors.

 

[Williy]

Some info on the john-deere 5045e

TractorData.com John Deere 5045E tractor information

www.tractordata.com

willy

 

[sd455dan]

White smoke after running for over an hour, And loss of power?

When it starts smoking What does the white smoke smell like? Is it a Strong Unburned diesel smell or sickly sweet antifreeze smell?

Temperature gauge stable the whole time?
Any "missing" sound or hammering noise from the engine when the white smoke starts?

 

[JPCole]

White smoke after running for over an hour, And loss of power?

When it starts smoking What does the white smoke smell like? Is it a Strong Unburned diesel smell or sickly sweet antifreeze smell?

Temperature gauge stable the whole time?
Any "missing" sound or hammering noise from the engine when the white smoke starts?

I really don’t know about the smell….but it’s like a blueish-white smoke! The temperature gauge is stable the whole time! I’m concerned it may be a head gasket or cracked head.!!! But wouldn’t there be water in the oil? It does start a little hammering just before it starts smoking! Sound like you may be onto what I need! ANY HELP would greatly be appreciated! I was intending on removing the strainer from the fuel tank and see if that maybe it was restricting fuel but got to thinking…it only does it when it gets hot. Any other time it’s runs fine!
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JP

 

[Camofurever1]

I have a 2010 5055D. Same engine as your's. Are the emissions a tier 3? If you don't have DEF fluid on it, then you don't have the Tier Final 4 emissions. There is a sensor that screws into the bottom of your radiator. It goes directly to your Standyne injection pump. It alters the timing, for cold starts. If that sensor is going bad, or the connector for the sensor is dirty or getting a wonky connection after it heats up, it could be altering the timing on your injection pump. Just something to check. If you think it might be a head gasket, pressure test your cooling system and see if the pressure falls off. That is how you check to see if you are getting moisture in the cylinders from a head gasket going bad.

 

[JPCole]

If by Tier 3 you mean…my does my tractor uses DEF…then no…it does not have a DEF fluid tank on it! I will look for that sensor tomorrow and see if I can figure out where it is at and if it seems to be ok! Thanks for the input! I’ll definitely see if I can figure out how to do a pressure test on the cooling system! That is just my “swag” guess about the head gasket! It doesn’t seem to be loosing any water from the radiator and if it is…it’s so minimal that I can barely tell and there don’t seem to be any water in the engine oil! Pressure testing will most likely tell me that right… I mean if the head gasket is leaking??

 

[Lineman North Florida]

If by Tier 3 you mean…my does my tractor uses DEF…then no…it does not have a DEF fluid tank on it! I will look for that sensor tomorrow and see if I can figure out where it is at and if it seems to be ok! Thanks for the input! I’ll definitely see if I can figure out how to do a pressure test on the cooling system! That is just my “swag” guess about the head gasket! It doesn’t seem to be loosing any water from the radiator and if it is…it’s so minimal that I can barely tell and there don’t seem to be any water in the engine oil! Pressure testing will most likely tell me that right… I mean if the head gasket is leaking??

Did you find out what the problem was?

 

[JPCole]

Did you find out what the problem was?

Yes…the in tank fuel strainer was completely clogged up with algae! I removed it and flushed the fuel tank and then cleaned that strainer and reinstalled it! I put clean fuel in it and an algae preventative and it seems to doing fine now! Here’s a pic of the strainer!!