no i dont have either of those turned it over a few times today and it turns easier i think i will keep oiling and turning it then if it moves free put it back together and see if will start then see how bad it is if i had a place to get it inside id pull the head have a look inside but since this is and out side project i i will just see if it will run and then wait untill warm weather maybe next year i can put up a shop so i can work there thanks mike