7100 oil ?

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Have an older B-7100. Dad left it out last winter without antifreeze (Ooops!), cracked the head. I replaced it with a "new style" head (larger dia bolt-holes) runs great... except. It pumps too much oil to the rocker arms, and at 1500 RPM (appxt) for any length of time (minutes) it fills the valve cover with oil and finally starts dumping it out the breather tube. Now dad says, "Oh, it's been doing that for a long time." Local dealer can't seem to come up with any answers, but since I'm doing the work maybe they just don't want to share the secret. Any ideas? And no, I don't believe it is blow-by. Engine starts and runs too well for that. Besides, I've compared the blow-by to our other tractor (B-8200) that has a virtually new engine and they both "feel" like they have the same, small amount of blow-by.

Thanks for the help,

D.A.M.
 
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There was a thread on this a few months ago. something about a hidden oil plug in the head blowing out and stuffy up the oil pressure. May have been by Kubmech. Check previous threads carefiully and you will find it. Alloy plug was replaceable with another type.
 
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If you're filling the valve cover with oil, it sounds like you have a blocked oil passage somewhere. Was the head a new head? Do all the holes line up? (I know, it sounds silly, but you'd be surprised at how many times this gets overlooked). check the lower passages, are they open, or is there some sludge buildup? Just some thoughts, good luck.
 
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If the rocker area is filling with oil, then the drain galley is blocked. Suspected items would be: something got dropped down on of the holes (piece of gasket?), gasket sealer blocking the hole, gasket reversed, and probably a few other things I can't think of.

I think you will have to take the head off and poke around a little.

The GlueGuy
 
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Elgato, just a couple of thoughts:

When you installed the new style head, did you buy the alignment pins. With the larger bolt holes, head alignment could be off.

Have you checked your oil level, possible by shear coincidence, the hyd pump seal blew out and is pumping hyd fluid into the crankase.

Don't be fooled by the engine running and starting good with high blow by, see engines with alot of blow by all the time and they start and run great, some smoke alot and some very little. New set of rings and the blow-by is cured. When you had the head off did you look at the cylinders good? How was the ridge at the top of the cyl's, were they shiny with no cross hatch or dull and discolored?

Alot of times in the case of a cracked head and running weak coolant you'll get pit marks in the cyl's which doesn't do much for sealing and could cause a ring and or ringland to
crack.
 
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Yep, used the alignment pins on installation.

Virtually no ridge at top of cylinders, but there is wear. I.E., the original swirl marks from honing the cylinders was barely discernable and the bores were shiny and clean looking. Didn't mike them and since I could hardly feel a ridge and didn't take the pistons out I didn't check for taper of the cylinders.

No hyd fluid in crankcase. Have checked that. Also, when the valve cover fills up and blows out, it almost drains the crankcase. That's what originally caused me to see the problem, and be very concerned.

The way the head cracked it blew out a chunk externally and simply drained the water onto the ground. No water got into the engine. Now the 8200 was different, it filled the crankcase with water, but that's a different engine and it's the one that I replaced the block on. Did a complete overhaul but reused the original pistons after miking them to be sure of clearance.

As for the cylinder wear, I suspect the block, and rings, are pretty tired. I'm just thinking with relatively easy starting and clean running and comparing it to the 8200 blow-by, I wouldn't jump on the blow-by as being the problem. Plus, in talking to the local Kubota people they reinforce the idea that it "should" smoke and/or be hard to start if there was enough wear to cause excessive blow-by. BUT, at this point it is the only thing I can come up with that makes any sense at all.

There are other problems with the 7100 block, and if / when I do an overhaul I'll have to replace that block. I'm toying with the idea of brazing up the crack in the 8200 block (the crack is in an accessable spot that is not structurally nor pressure sensitive), replacing the 7100 pistons with 8200 pistons and rings, and turning my 7100 into an 8200 cross-breed. I've been studying the parts, the books, and I can't find any differences between the blocks EXCEPT the bore. Don't have specs to compare the valve diameters between the two engines, and that concerns me a bit. Also can't be absolutely certain about the bolt holes for the gear box and the front cover, but I'd lay odds both engines were from the same casting and the same tooling set-up with the exception of the bore.

I've got several more weeks of other major projects before I start back on tractor repairs - probably won't be until October or later. After that I guess I'll have to start by tearing the 7100 engine down. Have just been trying to postpone it for another year or two. Besides, I'd planned to use the 7100 to power my log splitter. I need to split a lot of wood before winter!

But thanks for all the thoughts! If nothing else it stimulates my own thinking.

D.A.M.
 
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I don't know if this will be any help or not, but my 1950 Case had a similar problem abter some head work. I too had a crached head and used a re-done head off a Case DI. I noticed the oil pressure was 10 to 15 lbs lower with the new head, and it seemed like there was lots of oil flowing over the top.

Problem boiled down to a split rocker arm shaft assembly. The oil to lube the rocker arms comes thru a hole in the head and feeds the rocker arm shaft, which is hollow and plugged on each end. It has feed holes to allow oil to lube the rocker arms, so the entire shaft is pressurized. Problem was mine had a crack, lengthwise and allowed the shaft to leak at the end where there is a press fit plug. Swapped out the rocker shaft and oil pressure was back up to 35#. Hope this helps.

Steve
 
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I don't remember anyone raising the possibility of too much oil being supplied to the head. Possibly a restrictor or orifice missing?
 

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