7500 vs 2410

PaulB · Jan 30, 2001

I own a B1700, so for all intents and purposes it is a 2410 but minus 200cc of motor. I think the only real difference for you would be the position control. For me, doing lots of rear blade work and rear mower work, position control is a must. All else being equal, if you don't need position control I woud save the 2K, but if you do a lot of things using height sensitive rear mounted implements you will have to go to the 2410.

LarryT · Jan 30, 2001

I've said this before but I'll say it again. Make SURE you DON'T need position control before you buy a tractor without one. I thought I didn't need it. My dealer didn't do a very good job of cautioning me about not having it. My main two implements are rotary mower and box blade. I could get along without position control with the box blade although its much nicer with it. However, using a rotary mower on anything other than flat clear land without position control would be painful. That's what I did with my B7500. I traded it in after 30 hours mainly to get position control. Lost $2000 for 30 hrs use. Remember, as PaulB says, if you need to use any imlement that needs specific height adjustments with the 3pt, you will need position control. Sure, you can adjust the 3pt to any position without position control. But if you need to raise and lower often, like raising the mower to turn around, it's difficult to return to the same position every time without position control. If you truly don't need it, the B7500 is a great machine. Just be sure! I use the adjustable stop on the position control when mowing or blading. That way I never have to look back when I drop the implement since it always goes back to the same position. Don't make the mistake I made!

Larry...

bpence · Jan 31, 2001

Good thoughts regarding the 3-pt. position control. For me, it wasn't and issue. I use a mid-mount mower on the B7100 and the position control doesn't matter with a bush hog if you've got the hog adjusted/set-up correctly. In pushing snow or grading the driveway with the back blade, it's either up or down. I guess that's why you need to really think about what your needs are.

Bob Pence

GlueGuy · Jan 31, 2001

Me again.

I just talked to the dealer about "position control", and we may have a language issue going on here. He told me that all the B series tractors have "position control". There was another thing he called something else, that senses the level of the ground, and automatically adjusts the position of the 3-pt to compensate, so the implement attached always stays in the same relative position. *BUT* it wasn't called "position control", and he said it wasn't even available until you get into the really big (and expen$$ive) tractors.

Are we all talking about the same thing here? Claim is that B7500 _AND_ B2410 both have position control. I'm kind of a newby, so I want to make sure we're all talking about the same thing.

GlueGuy

Bird · Jan 31, 2001

GlueGuy, was the salesman talking about "draft control"? Some of the bigger tractors have that. I don't know a lot about it, but when the tractor starts pulling hard, it automatically raises a plow or other ground engaging implement a little bit to keep you from bogging down or spinning your wheels, and if it's pulling too easily, it lets the plow down deeper. A neighbor has such on his bigger John Deeres. But "position control" simply means that the 3-point lever stays wherever you put it (may have numbers along side; mine is numbered from 0 to 8). It you pull it all the way back, the 3-point comes all the way up (lever stays where you left it), push it about half way down and 3-point goes about half way down, stops there, and stays. Without position control (as my B7100 was), the lever is centered. You push forward to lower the 3-point, and backwards to raise it, but how far you push the lever only determines how fast the 3-point will move up or down. If you just barely move the lever forward, the 3-point will start down, but it will continue to go down until you pull the lever back to the center. Hopefully that explains the difference. Much more difficult to control the height of the 3-point without position control.

Bird

PaulB · Jan 31, 2001

Glueguy - I have the sales brochure for the 2000 year B series right in front of me, and the 7400/7500 DO NOT have position control. Either this literature is wrong, they changed it for the 2001 models, or your dealer is wrong.

DFB · Jan 31, 2001

GlueGuy,
The B7500 doesn't have what is "true" postion control, where you can lower the 3-point to a desired height and keep it there by just moving the lever foward. I looked at the B7500 before I bought, it is a nice tractor. Having position control was an important feature to me and helped to <font color=green>color</font color=green> my decision. I also have to believe that dealer was talking about draft control just as Bird said.

LarryT · Jan 31, 2001

I bought a B7500 new in April of last year (2000). I traded it in in Sept because it did NOT have position control. As others have speculated, he may have been talking about draft control or something else. However, the B7500 DOES NOT have position control. I'd steer clear of any dealer that doesn't know what he is selling.

Larry...

GlueGuy · Feb 1, 2001

Clarification noted. He called me back and explained just what you guys did. He still feels that they all have position control, but the fact of the matter is that the lever indicates the position on the B2x10 models, and you have to "modulate" the lever on the B7x00 models. I now understand the difference (thank you very much). I also get the impression that it's an important feature to someone that needs fine control of the 3ph position.

Does anyone know if this feature can be retrofitted to a machine without it? At what cost (if yes)?

GlueGuy

LarryT · Feb 1, 2001

I don't believe that position control is retrofittable (probably not a real word!). I considered that when I had the B7500 but gave up (without any real research) and traded it in. I'm curious about a comment someone made about having their brush hog set up such that they didn't need position control. It would seem that with the 3pt all the way down, the mower would sit on the ground (mine does). You raise the 3pt to the level you want to cut by a combination of the 3pt and the rear wheel. I generally keep my mower (or rotary cutter, or brush hog, whatever you want to call it) about 3" off the ground which gives me 5-6" of blade clearance. That is obtained with my position control between 3 and 4 on the handle. I must raise the mower often as I turn, backup, move, etc. When I lower it, I simply return to the 3-4 position. Actually, I usually set the adjustable stop at that position so I don't even have to look at the lever knowing it will return to the correct height. Back to my question, how can you adjust the mower so that either up or down yeilds the correct cutting height? And, how do you change that height for different brush and terrain types? My mower only has adjustment on the rear wheel. The front depends entirely on the 3pt position. Unless I'm missing something (which is certainly possible....).

Larry...