Well I looked at the 4100, it didn't look the very best, for a tractor that was only 5 years old. I think it had a hard life. He finally admitted he has had it for a long time. So I'm looking at a 790 new. The only thing I'm trying to get $2500 trade in on my Yanmar YM1700. And JD dealers really don't want them. The one with the 4100 would give it to me on a trade for it. But when I asked him about new, he said he had a man that would give $1500, and he (the dealer) didn't want it, so that was all he would give me on new. Oh well, I'm not in a big hurry, something will probably work out.