850 w/poor hydraulics

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TKFA1

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We have an 850 w/FEL and backhoe. Both attachments seem to be slow and/or under powered.
The tractor does have power steering but it doesn't seem like that should steal that much from the attachments.
We have changed filters, and made sure the oil level is correct, but the especially the backhoe seems to
have little power ??
Has anyone else run into this dilema ? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
   / 850 w/poor hydraulics #2  
My original product brochure says that an 850 has a 2030 psi hydraulic system. It does not rate the flow. Todays class II Deere's run at 2500 psi. A 2030 psi system can be setup to be as strong as any other, but it would be awfully slow.
 
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Define slow. Are you running the engine slow or at near max throttle? The speed of the hydraulics is directly proportional to the speed at which the pump is driven. My guess is your 850 flows at least 7 GPM which should give you very good speed at rated RPM.
 
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An 850 what???? I can think of several different tractor colors with that number.....

--->Paul
 
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It's a JD 850. When running at max rated PTO rpm's it still swwms like the attachments have less
power/speed than they should.
 
   / 850 w/poor hydraulics #6  
I'll assume a few things. You have enough fluid, your filters are clean INCLUDING the suction screen, and the loader/backhoe cylinders are size matched to the tractor.

When you say little power - do you mean it is slow, or that it doesn't have any strength? There is a big difference.

Too slow means that you are not getting enough flow. Flow is dependent on pump displacement, pump speed (read Engine RPM) and efficiency. Pump displacement is fixed, you control pump speed, and efficiency is dependent on wear and piping resistance. If running the engine at PTO speed doesn't give enough flow (speed) and you don't have any "unusual" restrictions in the system then other than replacing / rebuilding the pump, there isn't a lot you can do. If flow is too low, I'd check the fluid levels and filters INCLUDING suction screen again, look for crimped hoses and lines. If you want to post the loader boom cylinder dia, rod size and length (min to max extension) I can calculate the time it "should" take to extend fully at various flows, and you would know if you are in the ballpark.

No strength means low pressure. If the loader/hoe moves fast enough with no load, but can't lift or dig any weight, then the problem is low pressure. Easily checked with a simple setup (search archives). This is most likely caused by a low setting on a pressure relief valve which you can adust. Warning - don't abuse this - set it to the correct value, don't just crank up the pressure!!! There are typically multiple pressure relief valves in the system(with their own settings!), certainly there are on my hoe, so you might have to test various circuits. If you have good curl strength, but no boom strength, focus on the boom circuit etc...

Other than that - if your cylinder size is mis-matched, you're going to move fast with no strength, or move slowly with immense strength. Either way you're out of luck to change anything /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
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The attachments seem to work "fast" enough, just don't seem to have the power that they should. I will take your suggestion and chech the relief valve settings. I do have the service manual for the unit, but even that can get confusing. When you are working the Hoe it Gets to a point, (when digging or whatever), that you can hear the hydrolic system "sceam", so as you pointed out the problem could very well be in the relief valve(s).
 
 

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