8N doesn't start

   / 8N doesn't start #41  
this machine has a timing gear not a chain.. the older bakelite ones would / could let go.. the new metal ones are 4-bolt jobs. Doubt you could get a slipped tooth.. it's be all or nuttin IMHO.

soundguy
 
   / 8N doesn't start
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#42  
It warmed up enough today that we removed the hood. The rear spark plug hole is a problem. Can't start a new plug by hand. It's too snug. For the most part, the thread doesn't look bad, so I'm sure it only needs tuned up except for the bottom. The bottom two threads are caked full of gunk, consistent with how we found the gasket rusted to the plug two threads from the shoulder. Amazing that the tractor ran that way. The next plug forward is just fine. We didn't look at the front two plugs, it was getting too cold and dark. I've used that emergency tap from a bolt a few times. There's no way that it will clean out the gunk from the bottom of the rear plug hole. I'll have to find a tap. I can't believe that they are metric in a 50 year old tractor, and bastard metric at that. The normal thread pitches for 14mm threads are 1.5 or 2 mm. A plug is 1.25. Grainger does not carry them. Where else should I should look? Maybe an autoparts place, but I'd expect to find some Chinese junk there. I'd rather buy a decent one and have it work more than once.

Once the hood was off and we could see all the wires, we found that bottom terminal of the resistor is broken off of the rest of the unit and not really holding the wires together. I say resistor, but it seems to be labled as resistor, resistor block, or terminal block depending on which diagram I look at. It is mounted directly below the ammeter on the engine side of the dash. Going by what I can make out from the wiring diagram that Tom linked me to, this bottom terminal is just a binding post, and not connected to anything. Can anyone confirm this? A loose connection like that could explain why the spark was hot and blue sometimes, and lame at other times.

By the way, going back through the posts, often when someone writes the word 'cut', it gets underlined. How come?
 
   / 8N doesn't start #44  
It may be easier just pulling the head as the chances of dropping some carbon down the spark plug holes when cleaning the threads is pretty good.:D
 
   / 8N doesn't start #45  
By the way, going back through the posts, often when someone writes the word 'cut', it gets underlined. How come?

I noticed that type thing as well on a number of special words. It must be the forum software scans for key words. Cut is the abbreviation for compact utility tractor. The problem is that the words aren't always used in the context that the designers were thinking. You'll see the same for scut, subcompact utility tractor, fel, frontend loader etc.
 
   / 8N doesn't start #46  
Is there something that will disolve the carbon deposits?
 
   / 8N doesn't start #47  
Why not use a thread chaser, and if there is no gas in the cyl, make yourself a small vacuum tube, insert in the hole and vacuum out the crud that fell in.
 
   / 8N doesn't start #48  
JJ's idea works well, I've done it with old flathead engines many times.
 
   / 8N doesn't start #49  
Spark plug taps are common and cheap.

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On the frontmount distrib units, the ressitor block has 3 terminals.. lower terminal essentially hooks to one side of the ignition switch, and the other side of the ignition switch hooks to one of the top terminals.. top terminals have a resistor across them, the other top terminal runs to the coil.

lower terminal , depending on what wire diagram you use, essentially is hooked to the bat tab on the vreg, by way of the ammeter.. with a wire to the hot side of the start solenoid so you can have a net charge / discharge system displayed onthe ammeter.

thus a lose wire on the third terminal can cause low power to the points.

soundguy


It warmed up enough today that we removed the hood. The rear spark plug hole is a problem. Can't start a new plug by hand. It's too snug. For the most part, the thread doesn't look bad, so I'm sure it only needs tuned up except for the bottom. The bottom two threads are caked full of gunk, consistent with how we found the gasket rusted to the plug two threads from the shoulder. Amazing that the tractor ran that way. The next plug forward is just fine. We didn't look at the front two plugs, it was getting too cold and dark. I've used that emergency tap from a bolt a few times. There's no way that it will clean out the gunk from the bottom of the rear plug hole. I'll have to find a tap. I can't believe that they are metric in a 50 year old tractor, and bastard metric at that. The normal thread pitches for 14mm threads are 1.5 or 2 mm. A plug is 1.25. Grainger does not carry them. Where else should I should look? Maybe an autoparts place, but I'd expect to find some Chinese junk there. I'd rather buy a decent one and have it work more than once.

Once the hood was off and we could see all the wires, we found that bottom terminal of the resistor is broken off of the rest of the unit and not really holding the wires together. I say resistor, but it seems to be labled as resistor, resistor block, or terminal block depending on which diagram I look at. It is mounted directly below the ammeter on the engine side of the dash. Going by what I can make out from the wiring diagram that Tom linked me to, this bottom terminal is just a binding post, and not connected to anything. Can anyone confirm this? A loose connection like that could explain why the spark was hot and blue sometimes, and lame at other times.

By the way, going back through the posts, often when someone writes the word 'cut', it gets underlined. How come?
 
   / 8N doesn't start #50  
Soundguy,

I think I was just a little thin skinned and took offense when non was intended. Sorry for getting into it with you. I apologize.

GPintheMitten
 

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