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[MossRoad]

Yep it was still light enough for me to get a good look at him and a description.

Wife is going to range this week with her fire arms instructor for some tune up.

Oh darn will prob have to go with her to the gun store and get her a girly gun. Not sure what she is going to be comfortable with having in the barn but whatever that is we will get one.... and of course an appropriate safe. She will not carry one on her.

How about a 10 shot Benelli semi-auto 12 gauge? Should clear the barn pretty quick. :laughing:

 

[4570Man]

You’re doing better than me. My wife refuses to consider firing a pistol. I convinced her to do a single target practice session with a Ruger 10-22 rifle, and that at least has a 25 round magazine.

If I was away from home, and she faced a life and death emergency, I’m not convinced she would remember how to get into the safe and operate that rifle.

Some people prefer to not think about bad things.

I would never put all my guns in the safe. Trying to spin the dial in a high stress scenario probably in the dark isn’t something I want to do.

 

[drssg]

I would never put all my guns in the safe. Trying to spin the dial in a high stress scenario probably in the dark isn稚 something I want to do.

I agree with that, but I also don't want to leave them unattended. They are carried or locked up. It's too easy to forget about them and end up with unintended access.

Growing up, we never owned a safe. In early grade school, I used to play cowboys and indians with my friend using real guns!:shocked: Fortunately, the guns were unloaded, but my parents never knew. They were stored in the back corner of my dad's closet, and he probably thought that I didn't know about them.

I'll leave my EDC on top of the bedroom safe when I go to sleep, but as soon as I'm up and dressed, it's on me. My best guess is that I'll never need it. If I DO need it, I want it within arms reach - not in another room squirreled away somewhere. But that's just me. My subcompact is as easy to carry as a wallet, and it becomes a habit.

 

[WoodChuckDad]

I almost never see LEO patrolling in my area of the county. I know that when I first bought our place, the road number didn't exist and at first, google maps would show our location a couple miles away. I am 2 miles from pavement. 1/2 mile of private road where you pass 3 other houses that are a stone's throw from the road and the driveway is 1/2 mile and you can't see anything but farm equipment and orchard from the road. Solitude was a motivating factor in buying this place. Self reliance is a must. The house is being built with that in mind. To show up at my front door, on foot would require a person to walk past multiple houses that can be easily seen from the road, and pass multiple "no trespassing" signs. Or you would have to come stumbling out of the woods and that would involve a long walk thru thick brush and rugged terrain. I will have driveway sensors. And I have dogs. They bark when strangers come around. When I am on the farm working, I am armed. Period. We have all manner of wild life. There is no cell signal on some areas of the farm. If there is a problem of any kind, no one is coming, it is up to us.
I think the OP handled the situation very well. I would get the cameras. make some of them visible and others less so.

 

[oosik]

Not to fret - WCD. I'm living proof that self reliance can be learned. I live 25 miles due SW of Spokane, WA. It's called the Scabrock lands - it forms the northern border of the Palouse. A mile long driveway off the paved county road. I get less than four visitors per year. I can USUALLY get cell phone service - if standing out on my northern deck. Otherwise - zippo on all the remaining property.

It's rather a relief - I seldom take my cell phone with me when I leave the house. It's just useless added garbage. My BIGGEST concern out here on the 80 - the neighbors cows may have pushed thru the perimeter barbed wire fence. Late summer/early fall is when this is most likely. I still have green grass and they can see it across the fence.

Been out here for 38+ years now. Getting pretty old. Still able to get around everywhere but I'm a bit slower at it.

VERY SELDOM take any sort of firearm when I leave the house. Most likely I'll be taking a shovel with the tractor or my generator on my ATV and some corded tools. I've found that a firearm simply will not get any projects completed. However - I have had the "locals" standing back, watching while I complete a project. The deer can be very curious about what I'm doing.

Twenty plus years working at the beck & call of the public. I still enjoy retirement and my solitude.

 

[k0ua]

How about a 10 shot Benelli semi-auto 12 gauge? Should clear the barn pretty quick. :laughing:

You should be able to solve almost any "social situation" with that. I have an 10 shot Remington 1100 (extended mag tube). It is pretty handy.

 

[kcflhrc]

We have a strong County Law Enforcement. They patrol frequently and are typically within a couple of minutes away. Just depends on how rural you are I guess. I'm about 1000' off of a state 2 lane highway and the County Seat is about 5 miles away and also has a jail as well as the base for the County Sheriff. I still have my 9mm handy as I get idiots all the time turning around in my driveway. Sad thing is there is a roundabout a 1/4 mile from my driveway that is clearly marked where they could also turn around. But, you can't fix stupid no matter how hard you try.

 

[MossRoad]

Interesting thing about most of the northern half of Indiana, is that there's almost always a road exactly every 1 mile. North, south, east, west, doesn't matter, one every mile. There are very few 1/4 mile long driveways, let alone longer ones. They're out there, but very few.

 

[TheMan419]

I would never put all my guns in the safe. Trying to spin the dial in a high stress scenario probably in the dark isn’t something I want to do.

I am thinking a biometric safe. They usually have a key pad to punch in a code plus a sensor for a thumb print. As a last resort backup they have a key. She has too many kids that come out for lessons so leaving an unlocked loaded firearm around is negligent. She will not carry one on her person.

Around our parts four legged predators are not much of an issue. We have coyotes, but only see evidence of them near the house/barn during mating season. A small revolver would not be a good choice to try to take one of those down. However in a pinch would scare them off.

A 38 revolver against a human is not a bad choice. Good hollow point ammo.

Interesting info I found, cannot remember the source for the life of me, is that in the average home invasion where the homeowner has a gun only 2 rounds are fired. I suspect most of the crooks when confronted run off without any rounds being fired.

 

[Sigarms]

I am thinking a biometric safe. They usually have a key pad to punch in a code plus a sensor for a thumb print. As a last resort backup they have a key. She has too many kids that come out for lessons so leaving an unlocked loaded firearm around is negligent. She will not carry one on her person.

I still have to get the one up on the wall for my AR, but I have bought these over the years for my home and although pricey, they are well worth the money IMO. Make them for pistols as well.

ShotLock Solo-Vault | For Shotguns | USA

They hide very well behind any door that is open on the wall that the door is touching when open. You'd never know it's there.

 

[oosik]

I have never had to use deadly force against another person. It's come MIGHTY close - once. Looking down the barrel of my Remington pump 12 gauge - one fellow choose to be a smart a*s. Fortunately, for all concerned, his mind quickly changed when I jacked a shell into the chamber. That - "click-click"- sound has an amazing effect.

The County Sheriff came out and talked to me following that event. By word of mouth - the two fellows in the pickup & the County Sheriff spread the word.

I've not had an intruder since that event - 37 years.

The word I was given, at that time, "Wait until they are inside your house".

The problem with this scenario - in the beginning, several came out to fish in my little lake. They had no desire to enter my house. Heck - most didn't even know my driveway existed or that I was living on the property now. The lake was stocked by two Dr's we leased the property to. The trout grew to a remarkable size. Many had trespassed to fish in the little lake for many years. They walked in from the county road - a one mile trek. There was nobody living on the property to discourage this.

With the exception of the two fellows, mentioned at the beginning, they all grudgingly turned around and left the property.

The official name of the little lake - Martin Lk. It's named after the original homesteader. It's name locally was - Mystery Lk.

 

[k0ua]

I have never had to use deadly force against another person. It's come MIGHTY close - once. Looking down the barrel of my Remington pump 12 gauge - one fellow choose to be a smart a*s. Fortunately, for all concerned, his mind quickly changed when I jacked a shell into the chamber. That - "click-click"- sound has an amazing effect.

The County Sheriff came out and talked to me following that event. By word of mouth - the two fellows in the pickup & the County Sheriff spread the word.

I've not had an intruder since that event - 37 years.

The word I was given, at that time, "Wait until they are inside your house".

The problem with this scenario - in the beginning, several came out to fish in my little lake. They had no desire to enter my house. Heck - most didn't even know my driveway existed or that I was living on the property now. The lake was stocked by two Dr's we leased the property to. The trout grew to a remarkable size. Many had trespassed to fish in the little lake for many years. They walked in from the county road - a one mile trek. There was nobody living on the property to discourage this.

With the exception of the two fellows, mentioned at the beginning, they all grudgingly turned around and left the property.

The official name of the little lake - Martin Lk. It's named after the original homesteader. It's name locally was - Mystery Lk.

Oh, man, now I know where I am going fishing...

 

[CobyRupert]

I have never had to use deadly force against another person. It's come MIGHTY close - once. Looking down the barrel of my Remington pump 12 gauge - one fellow choose to be a smart a*s. Fortunately, for all concerned, his mind quickly changed when I jacked a shell into the chamber. That - "click-click"- sound has an amazing effect.

The word I was given, at that time, "Wait until they are inside your house".

The problem with this scenario - in the beginning, several came out to fish in my little lake. They had no desire to enter my house.

When you pointed the loaded gun at them someone, were they threatening you?

Here in NY, I think that would get you a vacation at the "Greybar Hotel" for menacing unless they were. Even for trespassers.

It's more of a grey area if you're just holding it on whether that's menacing, depending on what you say about it.

I was always taught to never point a gun at someone unless you're plan on shooting them. If you're don't pull the trigger, you're just threatening them. Then it's a "you said/they said" argument in front of the Law. Dead men make bad witnesses.

 

[Sigarms]

When you pointed the loaded gun at them someone, were they threatening you?

In our parts, it's not uncommen for ATV'ers or motocross riders tresspassing on private property to come across a gun range that they've tresspassed on in the middle of during live fire.

Works better than signs or talking...

 

[drssg]

I have a handgun safe that is supposed to open via a fingerprint or a key. For non-emergency use, the fingerprint is more convenient, but I wouldn’t want to depend on it in an emergency.

If I swipe my finger on it too fast or too slow, it doesn’t work. If my swipe is too long or too short, It doesn’t work. Any residual moisture on my hand, such as just getting out of the shower, and it doesn’t work.

I like the idea, but I would do more research before trying another model.

 

[Sigarms]

I have a handgun safe that is supposed to open via a fingerprint or a key. For non-emergency use, the fingerprint is more convenient, but I wouldn’t want to depend on it in an emergency.

If I swipe my finger on it too fast or too slow, it doesn’t work. If my swipe is too long or too short, It doesn’t work. Any residual moisture on my hand, such as just getting out of the shower, and it doesn’t work.

I like the idea, but I would do more research before trying another model.

Nice thing about the shot lock is it's a mechanical push button "safe" to open. No batteries, nothing to read, just know the combination that you're set for which buttons to push.

 

[oosik]

Coby - that's what's so great about being out here in the PNW. A person has control over who is allowed on his property. We have a lot less concern about being Politically Correct or that we might hurt the feelings of a trespasser, damage their fragile ego, interrupt their God given rights to illegal entry - etc.

However - I will not argue the merits of this situation. Its a loose/loose situation - not worthy of debate.

You might have been a tad disturbed about the "laws of the land" when I first went to Alaska, also. 1960 - Alaska - trespass was the exact same as entry with the intent to do bodily harm. You darn well wanted to know exactly where you were in those days. The old homesteaders never hesitated....

Remember the old saying - "Dead men tell no tales" . Well, they have to be found first.........

Anyhow - have a great day. It's raining this morning - it's sure welcome.

 

[oosik]

James- K0UA - unfortunately, there are no longer rainbow trout in the little lake. Trout need running water( river, stream ) to spawn. Meaning they would have to be restocked every year. There is no longer a really close place where I can purchase trout.

The little lake has ginormous bass now. They DO spawn in a lake. I enjoy standing on the cliffs and watching them swim past. Rank & file - smaller in the lead - lunkers to the rear. It's my greatest pleasure just to watch them and throw out an occasional bucket of ants for their snacks.

 

[k0ua]

James- K0UA - unfortunately, there are no longer rainbow trout in the little lake. Trout need running water( river, stream ) to spawn. Meaning they would have to be restocked every year. There is no longer a really close place where I can purchase trout.

The little lake has ginormous bass now. They DO spawn in a lake. I enjoy standing on the cliffs and watching them swim past. Rank & file - smaller in the lead - lunkers to the rear. It's my greatest pleasure just to watch them and throw out an occasional bucket of ants for their snacks.

Bass? I am definitely sneaking in there now... Just kidding.. I would never trespass on someone's property, and hate it when people trespass on mine.

 

[oosik]

Am I worried about you or most others on TBN "sneaking" in - NOT IN THE LEAST.

Just so you have an understanding - - the "lunkers" look just like big 'ol thermo-nucular submarines. Swimming along at the rear of the pack.

Throw something out and try to catch them. The small ones are right there - Johnny-on-the-spot. The big ones got big by being smart.