A sad day for Stowe Vt -Tubbs goes to China

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Pete what I'm reading is folks in Pennslyvannia and New York would love to see a Prop 13. It has really helped out the older folks in California where the property they bought was valued at $50,000 is now worth $1.5 million. They still pay property tax based on the value it had in 1978 providing they still live there or a family memebr lives there. There is a slight yearly increase of a few dollars. It catches up with you though when you buy as it is based on the purchase price. That has pretty much been going up everywhere in the West with the exception of Arizona where the prices are still fairly level. Nevada, Reno is through the roof and no protection on property taxes other then there is no state income tax.
 
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<font color="blue"> Pete what I'm reading is folks in Pennslyvannia and New York would love to see a Prop 13. </font>

I know of at least two here in PA that feel that way... /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

I'm not sure if it is age or what, but each year that goes by I see less I like about his place... /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

(This place being defined as something larger than our state, but not greater in size than the earth... /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif)
 
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Bob said,
"I guess I see a similar problem from a different perspective. The job loss in your area is created by 2 factors, one is exporting jobs the other is yuppie urbanization".

I was in on moving many a company in the early 70's from New England to points south. The sole reason, taxes.. 10 to 12 or so years go by, and on rare occassions, I would visit (read deliver a new computer system) to one of those previously moved companies. What had changed was, the small hick town in the Carolina's and some of Georgia. all of a sudden needed bigger town halls, bigger post offices, schools, roads, a large road dpt, and finally town water and sewers,, Now they are complaining as loudly if not more that where they previously left. A governor by the name of Weld, saw this as an opportunity to get back, some of what was lost.. His argument was, WE HAVE the water, sewer, schools, etc, etc and it isn't being used anywhere near the original capacities or intent.. His idea did work to a certain extent. Still, no where as it should be. In the meantime, the so called know it all's, are infiltrating the back woods towns and bringing along with them, all these crazy requirements.. In my town and immediate surrounding towns, the farmers are gone, the elderly are being forced out by the week.. WHY, because some nut case needs street lights in the middle of nowhere,. they need this and that, all of which is useless or near useless.. I like to pick street lights as once being a town selectman, I asked in an open mtg one time, other than the few straying deer, who else do you think may need this street light? The other thing out your way, and especially Ohio,, is your strong unions... They push more jobs over seas than ten other problems.. The days of needing them, stopping child labor and most other problems that they originally addressed, are long gone.. Pay your dues so 50 fat cats have a job, upon which they demand and place unreasonable requirements on the employer.. Eventually the employer shuts down or more likely moves on to Mexico, Phillipines, China or other, where none of these problems exists because of tight controls.. Now I know this will rattle some and so be it.. As I said recently, a friend who painted Terex off road machines got 31 or so and hour. Health for the whole family, 5 weeks off, about 14 holidays, eye and dental and one heck of a retirement. Not enough, they strike and ask for 38 and hour immediately and a few more minor things thrown in... Guess what, it broke the bank and Terx left Cleveland... If it was mine, I would have pulled the plug long ago.. His 31 per hour had to cost that company 150 and hour by the time health, work comp, matching SS and taxes and all else was added in.. Yes sir, Boondox had it right, we reap what we sow.. By any measure, what I wrote here is my opinion and not that of Boondox or anyone else....
 
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LarryRB, I tend to agree with pretty much everything you said. I certainly simplified it when I broke the arguement down to 2 components, there are dozens of reasons all our towns change and why jobs get lost. I've known workers who got 13 weeks of vacation and then complained when their job went offshore. But I fear the discussion is spinning out beyond the original intent and probably leading to dangerous territory.
 
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Pete:

It's a problem that is more widespead than we think. Successfull business pratices seemed to have carried over to exclude the lifestyle of many who only wish for peace, quiet and a reasonable livelyhood.

It is a shock hearing you mention that one may even contemplate leaving the ansetral home. Just ain't right.

Egon
 
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I think this is largely an issue of perception. Long time rural folk see a lovely 200+ acre farm broken apart into five acre lots with a modern house on each one and lament the loss of prime farmland and open space. A recent transplant from a big city like Boston arrives after moving from a house on a tiny lot in a crowded neighborhood and marvels at the open space five acres provides.

We just don't look at the issue the same way. Pete
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Since we are not supposed to discuss politics, I won't go any further )</font>



Oh how I wish we could!! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

RedDog
 
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And don't think that it's only mfg job that are being sent over seas. Design, Eng. and software jobs are also going. I know of a number of electronics Companies that are setting up HUGE facilities in India and China. So this idea that we'll design it and they'll make it is bull.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I think this is largely an issue of perception. Long time rural folk see a lovely 200+ acre farm broken apart into five acre lots with a modern house on each one and lament the loss of prime farmland and open space. A recent transplant from a big city like Boston arrives after moving from a house on a tiny lot in a crowded neighborhood and marvels at the open space five acres provides. )</font>

Space is interesting. How close is too close? How open is open? Five acres surrounded by 100 five acres lots is what?
Country side or a sub-division?

-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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