A safer alternative to Roundup

[Panik]

So I guess whenI talk to her again I will tell her some of the things I have learned on here.

If it helps you can let her know that in FL glyphosphate has been used extensively in the control of invasive species like Melaleuca and Brazilian Pepper. See under herbicides: SS-AGR-96/AG241: Natural Area Weeds: A Property Owner's Guide to Melaleuca Control

 

[Gary Fowler]

I would simply tell the lady that if she wants me to recondition her pasture, you will do it, but it will be done your way and not her freaked out by the media way. If she says no, then forget it, tell her to come get her horses from your pasture, etc.

I have no patience for brain dead folks who let media hype rule their lives without giving a thought to whether what is reported as fact actually is. Data can be used to prove just about anything you want, either side of the coin that you want to prove using the SAME data.

 

[smstonypoint]

I would simply tell the lady that if she wants me to recondition her pasture, you will do it, but it will be done your way and not her freaked out by the media way. If she says no, then forget it, tell her to come get her horses from your pasture, etc.

I would prepare two proposals for the client, one with chemical burn-down and one without. Let her decide whether she wants to pay the higher tab.

Steve

 

[Walkin Horse]

Now Gary you know I can't tell her that. Her board money is part of my income. We didn't make it 35 years in the piping trade by telling the boss to kiss off. If I could do that there would be days I would run everybody off. I will probably do like I do at work and say " it's been my experience that if we do it this way". Then if it turns out f/u hey I tried.

The whole thing is not worth losing a boarder or a friend over. I'm getting a pretty good horse for doing the work plus collecting the board money for her 2 horses. If she doesn't want to use Roundup then I will disc it and when the weeds come back she gets to deal with that.

 

[smstonypoint]

I have no patience for brain dead folks who let media hype rule their lives without giving a thought to whether what is reported as fact actually is. Data can be used to prove just about anything you want, either side of the coin that you want to prove using the SAME data.

Steve

 

[mx1alex]

I'm not gonna argue science with anti's cause it's not worth my time. There are tons of other herbicides that kill whatever is there. Just depends on how much she wants to spend. But Glyphosate is the cheapest and safest.

 

[dave1949]

And given a choice you wouldn't buy any of the produce grown thousands of years ago.

Are you also against the modern auto or do you think horse and carts were better?

Harry K

Produce from thousands of years ago? That is a false equivalency considering how many varieties of produce have been developed and grown with great success pre-Roundup. Logical arguments need to be logical.

The same is true of oil-powered automobiles being better or not. They are better in some ways but at a significant economic and environmental cost; actually at a cost we cannot afford as it turns out when carbon footprints and their economic burdens are examined.

I think you lack an appreciation for the concepts of limits and sustainability which require taking the long view. Not many "solutions" that were developed to meet a certain set of needs in a given time and place are infinitely extensible. That has become apparent regarding transportation as we know it, and it will prove true of large scale agriculture too. Just doing more of the same "solutions" in agriculture on a bigger and grander scale comes at unsustainable costs if there is any desire to preserve life as we know it on the planet.

 

[MoKelly]

Over the past 5 years, Monsanto stock has doubled and the S&P is up 75%. So, as a shareholder, I say buy more Roundup!

MoKelly

 

[mx1alex]

Over the past 5 years, Monsanto stock has doubled and the S&P is up 75%. So, as a shareholder, I say buy more Roundup!

MoKelly

And rumor has it that they're trying to buy up Syngenta.

 

[Walkin Horse]

Produce from thousands of years ago? That is a false equivalency considering how many varieties of produce have been developed and grown with great success pre-Roundup. Logical arguments need to be logical.

The same is true of oil-powered automobiles being better or not. They are better in some ways but at a significant economic and environmental cost; actually at a cost we cannot afford as it turns out when carbon footprints and their economic burdens are examined.

I think you lack an appreciation for the concepts of limits and sustainability which require taking the long view. Not many "solutions" that were developed to meet a certain set of needs in a given time and place are infinitely extensible. That has become apparent regarding transportation as we know it, and it will prove true of large scale agriculture too. Just doing more of the same "solutions" in agriculture on a bigger and grander scale comes at unsustainable costs if there is any desire to preserve life as we know it on the planet.

Do what? All I want to do is kill some dandelion and jimson weed. I'm not feeding the world.

I guess nobody knows the names of these tons of chemicals I could look at as a substitute.