Add on FEL piping? Valve type?

   / Add on FEL piping? Valve type? #21  
And I've read on an older thread in this forum someone stating that if there is no Power Beyond port, that the 3pt can be fed from the Tank port of the valves.

This is an example of completely wrong information being posted by some supply company.

It is very misleading for owners who are just getting to understand hydraulic systems and are led to believe adding circuits is not big deal.

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If you look at all hydraulic valve companies' web sites this is the clear information on the limitations of valve tank ports.
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Like all things mechanical, there are safety factors in the design and there are quality differences between identical valves so occasionally someone might get away using the tank port incorrectly.

It is unsafe in a serious way. A crack and now high pressure fluid jetting out.

All tractor manuals have this caution about the dangerous of injecting high pressure fluid through your skin.
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It is human nature to hold your hand over a garden hose leak to judge how big the leak is. The same instinct will have your hand over a jet of hydraulic fluid at high pressure before you realize it you have a serious injury.

Dave M7040
 
   / Add on FEL piping? Valve type?
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#22  
Thanks for this info/warning. I haven't contacted the manufacturer yet, but looking at their datasheet, it seems that the port marked T, depending on installed options, is also used as the Power Beyond port.
 
   / Add on FEL piping? Valve type? #23  
Thanks for this info/warning. I haven't contacted the manufacturer yet, but looking at their datasheet, it seems that the port marked T, depending on installed options, is also used as the Power Beyond port.

Probably yes but only with a power beyond plug or sleeve installed.
If you have a data sheet for the valve please post it

Dave M7040
 
   / Add on FEL piping? Valve type?
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http://www.hydraulic-vlv.com/files/mf/products/45_file.pdf
http://www.hydraulic-vlv.com/files/mf/products/26_file.pdf

I think it is one of these. Unfortunately, the model number seems like rubbed off from the nameplate. The stamped letters on it specify the different options.
From the last page of the second datasheet above, there is a description of which type of plugs result in which kind of power beyond or closed center.

Tomorrow I'll take another, closer look at the plugs, and unscrew it from where it is mounted in case there is any more information stamped on the bottom.
 
   / Add on FEL piping? Valve type? #25  
http://www.hydraulic-vlv.com/files/mf/products/45_file.pdf
http://www.hydraulic-vlv.com/files/mf/products/26_file.pdf

I think it is one of these. Unfortunately, the model number seems like rubbed off from the nameplate. The stamped letters on it specify the different options.
From the last page of the second datasheet above, there is a description of which type of plugs result in which kind of power beyond or closed center.

Tomorrow I'll take another, closer look at the plugs, and unscrew it from where it is mounted in case there is any more information stamped on the bottom.


There are instructions for two different models of valves in the two pdf files.

Directional Control Valve ZC 70
Directional Control Vale PC 100

From the literature it is clear the tank port is designed to less than 50 Bar pressure where the rest of the valve ports are at least 250 Bar.
So feeding another circuit from the tank port is unacceptable. see red box on photo which is a caution and the two green boxes showing the much higher pressures that are acceptable
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Your valve has 4 spools with two work ports each for a total of 8 ports + 1 in from the pump and 1 out to the tank. That makes 10 in total.
If it had power beyond, there would be 1 additional port and hose. Each valve with the power beyond (also called high pressure carry over in Europe) feature needs its own tank port going directly to the tank.

Before I saw what you were calling a FEL valve I asked if it had 6 or 7 hoses. One extra would mean power beyond. With your 4 spool valve, 11 hoses would indicate power beyond.

Try and see if you can make out a ZC 70 or TC 100 on the valve label so we can focus on the correct one.

In the next photo I have a yellow arrow pointing at a plug in the side of the valve. I am thinking this is what you remove to screw in the HPCO or PB plug to acquire an additional line to supply another hydraulic circuit.
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In the next photo, look very closely at the plug I have a black arrow pointed to.
This plug has threads in a hole on the end and this is where the pb hose would connect in the same fashion and with the same type of fitting as all the work port hoses have where an adapter screws into the valve body and then a hose to the adapter..

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In my mind the adapter screwed into the power beyond plug gives you the additional port for power beyond.

I need to caution you that I am not a hydraulics expert like JJ who has been a member of this forum for a long time but rarely posts because of personal commitments.

Hopefully with the combined wisdom of others on the forum we can get your tractor into a satisfactory state.

Unscrew the cap with the yellow arrow when the tractor is off and see if you can envision the power beyond plug scewing into the hole and the two O rings on the power beyond plug seating on two different internal surfaces.

Don't go rushing into things until we have it sorted out as it would be tragic to break something.

I do think you could order the power beyond plug and adapter to screw into it to accept a hose. They are not expensive and I think you will find you need them.

Dave M7040
 
   / Add on FEL piping? Valve type?
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   / Add on FEL piping? Valve type? #27  
I was looking in the wrong section of their products. This is the dead match to my valves: BADESHTNOST Plc. - Hydraulic products, valves, > PRODUCTS

http://www.hydraulic-vlv.com/files/mf/products/12_file.pdf

Similar system of different plugs, though on this one the only way to get power beyond is with the plug hpco plug or sleeve.

makes a threaded port. So Monday call the company distributing these in Slovakia and see if I can get that power beyond sleeve.

Andrew.
I quickly looked through your latest link and really don't see why you feel it is a match for the valve you currently have?

My suggestion is to ask the people who installed the loader to tell you what model of FEL valve you have and then go to the hydraulics people looking for the appropriate part.

The C2 plug I mentioned in my previous post creates a threaded port also.

Dave M7040
 

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