Adding hydraulics & Remotes

   / Adding hydraulics & Remotes #11  
I think for what you want to do, the cost for what you get capability wise ain't great. Then once the drive, house, etc are done....what use do you have for the machine?

Without knowing more background, and what future uses you have after the initial hard work is done....you might consider a 2-machine plan. Either a used full sized backhoe...or a mini /midi excavator....and a 40-50hp compact tractor. Sell the big backhoe or excavator once the hard work is done, and take care if property maintenance with the tractor from there on out.

Renting the big equipment is another option if you don't feel comfortable buying used and trying to resell.

But spending a ton of money on a M59 or M62 if you cannot put it to work once the hard stuff is done, don't make much sense to me

Good advice. I often wonder why I still have my excavator. Still really handy, but after the heavy work is done, it sees little use. For the hard stuff, a M59 can do it but it will be working hard.

Still I have no regrets buying my L39. I think I would have ruined an ordinary Ag. tractor doing stuff like this.
+2000 Hours 11 years old, stronger than ever.
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http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/projects/89163-busy-wife-weekend.html?highlight=

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   / Adding hydraulics & Remotes #12  
Yes i have been thinking this as well, but i will be attempting to start a small farm(wood clearing so forth) with my family and with the densely packed woods and the strength and versatility of the machine have me thinking its a good choice. Would you have another recommendation of tractor type? I fear the weekness of a 3point hoe. I've been reading some of your posts about adding remotes and thats where this all kinda started with the less expensive machine. But i would like to be able to move a lot of lumber around and remove the stumps and so on.

Hello Bildo, we've got a similar amount of rough land. Lots of rocks and trees and things to do before building a homestead. I used a 3 point hoe and Ag loader on a big JD farm tractor for years. It worked, but other than for roads & ditching, that type of combo it wasn't as useful as I had hoped....and was sometimes a bit dangerous. Then - at my wife's insistance - we got an M59 with a thumb. What a huge world of difference! All HST and fingertip controls. Powerful. No more dangerous 3pt hoe ops. We kept the old JD for it's cat II 3 pt ability, but now with the M59 we could do all kinds of construction work like stacking big boulders for a rock wall, move logs and anything heavy, plant trees, dig a well, and instead of narrow shallow ditches we could dig a real stream channel quickly enough to just do it instead of wondering if it was possible. On the other end, the loader bucket carries a huge load and will lift almost two tons! It's now 8 years later and we would buy the same machine over again....absolutely.

BTW, a couple of years back we had a 500 year flood followed by a brutal winter. That led to a unique opportunity to add a full size JD310SG TLB - WITH A CAB! to our fleet and so we did. This full size TLB has even more strength and speed than the M59 of course, but to my surprise it only sees about 10% of the use unless it's snowing outside (that heated cab). The reason is that even though the JD310 is a bigger beast, the M59 is a big enough machine for most any kind of serious TLB work - and the M59 is just a little more handy, accurate, and convenient to use.

Ten years later, a lot of the rough construction is done and we are a bit older. The M59 is still handy for moving heavy things and for maintaining the property. It's more than paid for itself and still worth most of what it cost - including machine maintenance. Retrospectively it was a good purchase and surprisingly after all these years it is still a fairly decent investment. But we've gotten older too, and saving wear on our older bodies is increasingly important - so if lifting, placing, and smoothing is a lot of what the M59 does from here on out then that's just fine. We'd keep it for that alone.

And if you can't make the TLB happen, at least know that any kind of tractor sure does help get the work done. Some machines are better, but all are good. Farm style 4wd tractors with add-on Loaders and their 3 pt. Backhoes do have unique dangers and downsides, but again...the truth is that all it takes is common sense for both to be very useful. (must disconnect the draft control !!)
If that's what the budget dictates then that's wonderful too. What I'm trying to say is that there are machines specifically built and balanced for construction - and Kubota's TLB line is very, very good. Worth the price if you can spring for it. All over TBN, we constantly see people writing good things about the whole line.
Be well,
rScotty
 
   / Adding hydraulics & Remotes #13  
Bildo,

Interesting pickle you're in and one I faced, though on a smaller scale - only 11 acres here. You're about to commit a sizeable bit of available resources to what sounds like a series of large projects that could span a long, long time. What I'd recommend is to draw up a plan/list for yourself and then figure out what's most important to get done first, second, third, etc. Then figure out what you need to get your top 5 or 10 done and go from there. The gang here will be more than happy to help with that part. Lots of experience to draw from and a wide range of specific circumstances to consider when reading the responses.

To get a better basis for SATBANAC the Self Appointed TBN Advisory Committee, a little background would be very helpful.
Specifically:
What's your time horizon on the primary tasks that you need to get done? Are you committed to moving in to a house on this property by a definite date? I found that unless The Plant Manager was involved in these determinations, all of my plans were subject to revision & demotion, as she had (and continues to have) a surprising degree of influence on actual outcomes, regardless of what I tell everyone else.
What's your landform like? Hilly, flat, mixed? This will influence your need for considering a machines slope capabilities.
What's your soil like? Deep loam? Shallow topsoil on bedrock? Glacial till with lots of boulders? Sandy or clay? Well drained? Swampy? These conditions will point to size, weight and traction requirements and limitations that your should consider before selecting equipment.
What's your tolerance & aptitude for dealing with mechanical issues & delays?
What are your woods like? Mature hardwoods, softwoods or a mix? Secondary growth?
Are you a DIY personality or are you comfortable hiring out tasks that are beyond the scope of your schedule or equipment budget?
This list could go on and on and I apologizes for maybe yamming on too much already & not being very specific about answering your immediate questions, directly. You've got a lot to sort out and it sounds like you're interested in the project and you're old enough to consider your options and young enough to bring some muscle & energy to the task. It's not a bad spot to be in, by a long shot!
-Jim



advis
 
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#14  
Hello Bildo, we've got a similar amount of rough land. Lots of rocks and trees and things to do before building a homestead. I used a 3 point hoe and Ag loader on a big JD farm tractor for years. It worked, but other than for roads & ditching, that type of combo it wasn't as useful as I had hoped....and was sometimes a bit dangerous. Then - at my wife's insistance - we got an M59 with a thumb. What a huge world of difference! All HST and fingertip controls. Powerful. No more dangerous 3pt hoe ops. We kept the old JD for it's cat II 3 pt ability, but now with the M59 we could do all kinds of construction work like stacking big boulders for a rock wall, move logs and anything heavy, plant trees, dig a well, and instead of narrow shallow ditches we could dig a real stream channel quickly enough to just do it instead of wondering if it was possible. On the other end, the loader bucket carries a huge load and will lift almost two tons! It's now 8 years later and we would buy the same machine over again....absolutely.

BTW, a couple of years back we had a 500 year flood followed by a brutal winter. That led to a unique opportunity to add a full size JD310SG TLB - WITH A CAB! to our fleet and so we did. This full size TLB has even more strength and speed than the M59 of course, but to my surprise it only sees about 10% of the use unless it's snowing outside (that heated cab). The reason is that even though the JD310 is a bigger beast, the M59 is a big enough machine for most any kind of serious TLB work - and the M59 is just a little more handy, accurate, and convenient to use.

Ten years later, a lot of the rough construction is done and we are a bit older. The M59 is still handy for moving heavy things and for maintaining the property. It's more than paid for itself and still worth most of what it cost - including machine maintenance. Retrospectively it was a good purchase and surprisingly after all these years it is still a fairly decent investment. But we've gotten older too, and saving wear on our older bodies is increasingly important - so if lifting, placing, and smoothing is a lot of what the M59 does from here on out then that's just fine. We'd keep it for that alone.

And if you can't make the TLB happen, at least know that any kind of tractor sure does help get the work done. Some machines are better, but all are good. Farm style 4wd tractors with add-on Loaders and their 3 pt. Backhoes do have unique dangers and downsides, but again...the truth is that all it takes is common sense for both to be very useful. (must disconnect the draft control !!)
If that's what the budget dictates then that's wonderful too. What I'm trying to say is that there are machines specifically built and balanced for construction - and Kubota's TLB line is very, very good. Worth the price if you can spring for it. All over TBN, we constantly see people writing good things about the whole line.
Be well,
rScotty

This is pretty good information. Just like all of it thus far. I think at this point i might go for a cheaper skid steer and then down the road upgrade to the TLB. Now to start this whole pain over with finding an affordable Skid that is of quality.

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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#15  
Good advice. I often wonder why I still have my excavator. Still really handy, but after the heavy work is done, it sees little use. For the hard stuff, a M59 can do it but it will be working hard.

Still I have no regrets buying my L39. I think I would have ruined an ordinary Ag. tractor doing stuff like this.
+2000 Hours 11 years old, stronger than ever.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/projects/246050-fun-rocks-dirt-photos.html?highlight=

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/projects/89163-busy-wife-weekend.html?highlight=

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/projects/324502-breezy-ridge-farm-2014-project.html?highlight=

This is impressive work. Glad you shared. I just wish these machines were more realistically affordable.
 

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