Adding two hyd remotes to Kubota

   / Adding two hyd remotes to Kubota #11  
If you were going to get a PTO pump, where would you buy it from, and how do you size it to the pto? Is there a standard GPM flow that you go by? I have always been interested in doing that even though it's expensive/not neccessary :D
 
   / Adding two hyd remotes to Kubota #12  
The answer about the remotes, is yes, you can do it. You can use a factory or after market kit, or gather all the components and do it your self.

The valve below is a solenoid selector valve and will give you a remote for the grapple or back side hyd. The curl hyd would connect to this valve, and side 1 would operate the curl normally. Side two would connect to the grapple, and your FEL levers would operate the grapple. If you installed QD's on side two, that can be your hyd supply for the front or rear, using some hoses. 6.9 GPM's does not provide a lot of hyd HP power.

You can run a hyd PTO pump at the rear, but it will get expensive. 25 to 30 hyd HP off the PTO pump will operate a lot of different attachments.

https://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?item=9-7852&catname=hydraulic

PTO pump--------$500
reservoir---------$80
valve-------------$150
hoses------------$200
fittings-----------$60

PTO pump

https://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?item=9-1047-1-C&catname=hydraulic

30 HP can provide about 20 GPM's at 2250 . That is with nothing else using the availiable tractor HP.
 
   / Adding two hyd remotes to Kubota #13  
Piston and Nealfris:

I mounted a Bush Hog brand 48 squealer rotary mower on a FEL and drove it with the kind of PTO pump JJ recommends. I spent a bit more than he estimated for my reservoir, but otherwise he is right on. You can稚 do it for less than his $1,000 estimate and you could easily spend $1,300 or so with filters, relief valves, etc.

If it were me I would give it a try using your tractor hydraulics. You are going to install the remotes anyway, so the additional cost to give it a try will be a $250 hydraulic motor, $50 motor mount, $100 for pulleys and belt, and $100 for hoses and fittings. If it works you can add a separate motor valve to make starting and stopping easier, check valve to let the motor overrun the pump, and other refinements.

I think it might work. Say your hydraulic system pressure is 2250 psi. 6.9 gpm produces almost 9 horsepower. Even an 80% efficient motor will produce 7 hp at the shaft. There are lots of push type 21 rotary mowers that cut lawns and weeds just fine with a 4.5hp rated gasoline engine that is undoubtedly overrated. Your deck was driven with 10 hp, probably overrated, that also drove the wheels and carried a passenger. So 7 true hp should turn a 28 blade in grass and light brush..

It might not be able to keep up in heavy grass or weeds if it is being pushed fast, but you are not likely to do continuous cutting with the mower deck on a backhoe. If there is a continuous cut at all it will be very slow because you have to follow the contour of the ground with the boom and dipper stick. Most of us don稚 use the backhoe regularly enough to maintain the kind of skill to move the end of the stick very fast with that kind of precision. It will be much more put it down, let it cut, lift it, and put it down a couple of feet over. The blade should have plenty of time to recover speed while you are moving it over the grass.

I agree with JJ about blade speed for finish cuts on a lawn, but I assume you are not seeking a golf course cut. My Squealer with 48 cut has a blade tip speed of 13,000 feet per minute (4 x 3.14 x 540 x 1.92) and it cuts pasture grass and brush fine even when the blades are dull. And those blades are 3/8 thick. Blade sharpness obviously is important, but blade thickness also matters more than I would have thought. I have a 5 Bushhog with ス thick blades that takes quite a bit more power per foot in heavy grass than the Squealer with its 3/8 blades, and blade thickness seems to be the main difference.

Your 28 blade is probably シ thick and, with it so accessible you should have no problem keeping it sharp. It is only an educated guess, but I believe 7 true hp will spin a sharp シ thick 28 blade quite well in heavy grass, weeds, and brush under 1 diameter.

I would aim for a blade speed of say 15,000 fpm for another reason as well. You will not be able to shroud the blade fully and it will be tossing sticks and stones back your way. The slower the blade speed the slower those missiles will zing by your head; I know this from experience.

A 28 blade turning 2,000 rpm gives about 15,000 fpm at the blade tip. A 2 cu in motor will turn about 800 rpm, so a 2.5 step up from the motor pulley to the spindle pulley will produce 15,000 fpm.

If it turns out that your hydraulic system does not have the capacity, you can add a 15-20gpm pto pump and change the pulley sizes to keep the spindle at about 2000 rpm.

I think the biggest problem with using the tractor system would be hydraulic fluid temperature if you keep the mower in heavy cutting constantly, but you are not likely to do that.

Sounds like a neat project. Send pictures.
 
   / Adding two hyd remotes to Kubota
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Thanks JJ & Farmer Ford. I will try to post pics, never done it before & I have search hard for a help menu for my many forum questions. Particularly How do you put your equipment list under your post? Anyway. After giving the remotes some thought, I think what I'd like to do is remove BH feed from PB on loader control, Install a hyd/elec circuit (with its own PB) out of loader PB for grapple, split out of grapple PB to supply existing BH and extra remote for back. Is this do-able? Could some one please give me a list of parts I need should this be a suitable schematic. The hyd I intend on doing regardless of the boom project.

Regarding adding a pump and reservoir for mower, I found a new PTO pump for only $270.00 I was thinking that if I need that for extra GPM than it would not be a bad thing. While the boom is not being used I could use pump for the BH with QC. BH seams to be very whimpy using remotes. The relief squeals constantly. I have owned a small Terrimite with 18 hp Briggs connected direct to pump for 20 yrs. That little thing out digs the Kubota hands down!

The mower will have the out-shoot blocked, the deck angle is manual as you can see, the top will have a two pin plate weld just like on a bucket. the boom will attach were the bucket goes. my property is very steep in places and this rig will be great for reaching up and down (with counter weight of coarse) over banks. This thing is only tack welded as a prototype. My thinking is the arm works will out last the mower deck. If successful, I will make a more suitable deck out of heavier stock similar to a brush hog. It is very strong and surprising how little it weighs.
 

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   / Adding two hyd remotes to Kubota #15  
These are some of the hyd cutters from Power-Trac. The one on the green mower, is using 8 GPM's for the hyd motor.
The larger hyd cutter on the red machine, is using about 15 GPM's to run that one. It also has a counter weight. Both are fully articulated.


To add your equipment to the bottom of your post, select MY Home at top, then on left, select Edit Signature.

Copy and paste your equipment and attachments from your profile into your Signature
 

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   / Adding two hyd remotes to Kubota #17  
Farmerford,

Recheck your bld tip figures figures for a 48 in cut. Circumference=2πr

2 x 3.14 x 24 in x 540 divided by 12 in = Bld tip speed in ft per min
 
   / Adding two hyd remotes to Kubota #18  
RATS! Nothing starts Saturday like a reply pointing out the errors in your Friday post.

JJ, you are right about the formula for blade tip speed. I was not clear that my 48" mower has a 1:1.92 ratio step up gear box. That's why 13,000 fpm speed I gave seems too high. I think my 60" mower has about a 1:1.5 step up.
 

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