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After Watching This Video Should Americans Let Green Tractors Sit On Lots Unpurchased?
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Really? I totally disagree, why go ad hominem on her?
Did you watch the video?
So what, like that justifies it because "everyone else is doing it?"
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Doesn't justify it. But be concerned about more than just JD
I watched the video. Id say compared to other YouTubers she's pretty clueless and just making rage bait
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Be concerned about more than JD? I wasn't aware that is all I am concerned about.
More ad hominem?
I'd have to disagree, as she brought up some documented facts about JD that are a bit troubling. I'd say that makes henovideo relevant, and shows she's not clueless.
Why have you only addressed her, but not what she said?
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Tractor Mike made more valid points when it comes to youtubers
Just because their facts with poor commentary doesn't make it "good"
Just because their facts with poor commentary doesn't make it "good"
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So, I don't know how not to boarder politics with this post; but I'll try not to just dive straight in:
Part of this is labor; a manufacturer can deal with the pay side of it, but mixed in with all the other stuff, got to hire 5% wheel chair, 10% deaf, ect and provide 'reasonable accommodations'; it costs a fricking ton; BUT don't ever believe the work force in Mexico are being paid slave wages; they probably are around $10-15/hour
Regulations; think of the BS a large manufacturer has to do just to run a large scale, production, paint or galvinizing operation; the environmental controls, the testing, the OSHA stuff; I'll bet they have to have a dozen or more safety and environmental folks, if a guy spills a gallon of hydralic on the concrete
Profit; if they can't make a good profit, with US regs, labor, and taxes; would you prefer they just stay till they go bankrupt? They have an obligation to their shareholders, not the US gov, or US citizens; JD and every other major Corp has stock holders from around the world; and they should have the same loyalty to a US stockholder as a a Chinese or German, or whatever.
Nobody is going to pay 25% more for a high cost item cause it says made in USA. Maybe a couple percent, or maybe a 25-50% on small cost items; but not $125k for a $100k item.
Shipping; Mexico isn't really any harder to ship from than the US, and in someway, it's easier; there is some kinda law about having to use US ships with US crews to ship from US port to US port; However, you can use a Fillipeano crew, on a Liberian ship, to go from Mex to Tampa; and that's not just money, it's availability;
Also, not sure if this applies in JDs case; but if they are looking at their existing facilities, it can be better/cheaper/faster to start over somewhere new than rehab the existing facilities. relocating a facility as Huge as JD needs, would take years and years of public meetings, endangered species surveys, impact fees, permitting, ecr. Probably would be a maricle to have a facility up and running in 5 years relocating in US.
Part of this is labor; a manufacturer can deal with the pay side of it, but mixed in with all the other stuff, got to hire 5% wheel chair, 10% deaf, ect and provide 'reasonable accommodations'; it costs a fricking ton; BUT don't ever believe the work force in Mexico are being paid slave wages; they probably are around $10-15/hour
Regulations; think of the BS a large manufacturer has to do just to run a large scale, production, paint or galvinizing operation; the environmental controls, the testing, the OSHA stuff; I'll bet they have to have a dozen or more safety and environmental folks, if a guy spills a gallon of hydralic on the concrete
Profit; if they can't make a good profit, with US regs, labor, and taxes; would you prefer they just stay till they go bankrupt? They have an obligation to their shareholders, not the US gov, or US citizens; JD and every other major Corp has stock holders from around the world; and they should have the same loyalty to a US stockholder as a a Chinese or German, or whatever.
Nobody is going to pay 25% more for a high cost item cause it says made in USA. Maybe a couple percent, or maybe a 25-50% on small cost items; but not $125k for a $100k item.
Shipping; Mexico isn't really any harder to ship from than the US, and in someway, it's easier; there is some kinda law about having to use US ships with US crews to ship from US port to US port; However, you can use a Fillipeano crew, on a Liberian ship, to go from Mex to Tampa; and that's not just money, it's availability;
Also, not sure if this applies in JDs case; but if they are looking at their existing facilities, it can be better/cheaper/faster to start over somewhere new than rehab the existing facilities. relocating a facility as Huge as JD needs, would take years and years of public meetings, endangered species surveys, impact fees, permitting, ecr. Probably would be a maricle to have a facility up and running in 5 years relocating in US.
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Similar response here, re repairs on an old tractor that Deere once sold.
20 years ago, I bought a then 20 years old Yanmar. The local Deere dealer had been a dealer for these before Deere put their own labels on Yanmars, and he still had 'Yanmar Parts Dealer' logos in his ads.
I stopped by to inquire if their shop could provide and install brake shoes. The shop 'customer relations' guy wasn't just rude, he became visibly agitated as he refused to even talk about ordering parts from Yanmar for me to install. He ranted about the gray-market Yanmars that he didn't have documentation for, and wouldn't listen to me telling him that I had been told they could maintain my US-Yanmar, when I had initially phoned them. The guy all but threw me out.
I've done my own maintenance, since. As for those brakes, simply cleaning up the shaft where it was binding going into the housing was all it needed to resolve the stuck brake, with no parts needed. Subsequent maintenance has been equally simple. 20 years use now, on now a 40 year old Yanmar, and its never needed a professional mechanic for anything.
I hope Deere treats their large-tractor customers better than my experience.
paulsharvey
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"I hope Deere treats their large-tractor customers better than my experience."
I'm not defending crap service, But you ever been to a plumbing supply house as a homeowner, or an actual lumber yard, or order concrete? Even as a fairly small contractor, they are going to in general, be a pain.
Funny thing with service; when I was in change of ordering all the lumber for several 160-240 unit apartment complexes; our main lumber broker, be lucky to get a card and a tin of cookies at christmas; a medium sized local company that we would order emergency small supplies, like 4 bundles of studs, or a few bundles of OSB just to get us through till next big load from broker; treated us like kings. We bought probably $1m a year from this broker; and he never touched material; we ordered from him, he arranged shipping from mills around SE US, and took his percentage.
The smaller (think they have 5 lumber yards in NE FLa), told him, we have our supplier, but I'll take your card incase we need minor orders. "I might be your #2 or #3, but maybe you're my #1". Sure, he's trying to get a sales commission, but he did bail us out a few times.
Flip side; he could never have fulfilled our total order, and he was atleast 10-15% higher, so using him large scale was never an option
I'm not defending crap service, But you ever been to a plumbing supply house as a homeowner, or an actual lumber yard, or order concrete? Even as a fairly small contractor, they are going to in general, be a pain.
Funny thing with service; when I was in change of ordering all the lumber for several 160-240 unit apartment complexes; our main lumber broker, be lucky to get a card and a tin of cookies at christmas; a medium sized local company that we would order emergency small supplies, like 4 bundles of studs, or a few bundles of OSB just to get us through till next big load from broker; treated us like kings. We bought probably $1m a year from this broker; and he never touched material; we ordered from him, he arranged shipping from mills around SE US, and took his percentage.
The smaller (think they have 5 lumber yards in NE FLa), told him, we have our supplier, but I'll take your card incase we need minor orders. "I might be your #2 or #3, but maybe you're my #1". Sure, he's trying to get a sales commission, but he did bail us out a few times.
Flip side; he could never have fulfilled our total order, and he was atleast 10-15% higher, so using him large scale was never an option
paulsharvey
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A company should never think it's doing employees a favor letting them work there, and also shouldn't think the employee is doing them a favor, and the same for the workers; it's an equal exchange of labor for money. A worker will leave if they have better options, so why should a company not replace a worker when they have better workers?
I really don't think JD is moving because of pay; it's a lot more than that. I'm sure it's about taxes, regulations, labor, profit margin, the ability to get good workers, shipping, global supply networks, ect. In almost all of these moves, it's not a single thing that makes or breaks it, but a hundred small factors. Truth be told, I'd be willing to bet that JD doesn't want to relocate some of this, but it just needs too.
I really don't think JD is moving because of pay; it's a lot more than that. I'm sure it's about taxes, regulations, labor, profit margin, the ability to get good workers, shipping, global supply networks, ect. In almost all of these moves, it's not a single thing that makes or breaks it, but a hundred small factors. Truth be told, I'd be willing to bet that JD doesn't want to relocate some of this, but it just needs too.