Ag or Industrial Tires

[Diamondpilot]

Builder

Like others have stated you are talking about 2 totally different things. A little 20-40 HP tractor versus your backhoe... And tires are not tires. His R4's on his JD load up in 2" of snow, period. Once loaded it will not steer. You can crank the wheel any way you want and it goes straight with the rear blade down. It makes since because the blade is acting like a parachute. Like I stated before if we get more than 5" his tractor might as well stay in the garage. It can not pull itself through the snow on flat ground in 4 wheel drive with the 6' rear blade down. You would have better luck with a funny car and slicks like John Force drives.

I agree with you on 99.9% of what you say but in this case on this tractor on our type of lake effect snow we get here in Northern Indiana his R4's are worthless.

Chris

 

[Northland]

I have R4's and they never caked up with snow and we get way more snow here off the NE shore of Lake Superior then most anywhere; 13 to 16 feet each winter.

I did find they didn't have enough grip in snow and ice though so I put v-bar chains on the rear tires last winter. That helped but in an effort to get more steering control and traction I put v-bar chains on the front tires as well. Now my tractor can crawl right up the 12 foot snow banks I have plowed up so far this winter

I think the chains will help keep the tractor from sliding sideways as well...that's a scary feeling.

The R4's are not good in mud but hopefully the chains will help with that as well.

All my logger neighbors have R4's on their skidders but they have those huge chains with the beefy cross-sections on them. So, I'm sticking with my R4's

 

[SPYDERLK]

I discovered that when I moved to the Florida panhandle in the early 90's. The mud tires on my truck were not good in that fine, deep, white sand. Basic all terrains with lower air pressure worked much better.

I have a creek bottom on my place with course sand in the creek bed when it is dry. I get sand out of it to patch rough spots on my dirt roads. But these R1s just dig straight down when the tractor is under any load at all. I've never been stuck in this tractor but have come closest in the this sandy creek bed. I suspect big wide turfs would work better in sand than anything else and R4s would probably work better than R1s.

If it wont pack, the high tread area tires are better than the R1s since they tend to hold the surface in a consolidated form whereas the R1s disturb it and make it easier to move. Very dry snow - or any shallow snow on pavement or smooth frozen ground, sand, gravel is really the only chances the others have to compete with R1s for keeping you moving.
larry

 

[DesertRose]

In my case I chose R4's for the extra clearance I get driving through my barn. Even with the R4's I just clear the door by about 2 inches without having to fold down the ROPS. I have been moving a lot of snow in the last week or so and haven't had any traction problems with the R4's. I'm sure the backhoe adds a lot of weight to help.

Tom

 

[Builder]

Funny how many posters in this thread that actually own a tractor equipped with R-4's and move snow don't seem to have a problem, but everyone with a tractor with R-1's says a tractor with R-4's basically won't get out of its' own way in snow.

Now.... who do I believe.... the guys that actually have them and use them in snow (including me) or the guys that don't have them and just think they suck?

 

[bkheur]

When you get stuck with your R-1s call and I will come and pull you out with my R-4s

 

[mboulais]

I got the Ags with my L3400. The salesman said the industrials will load up with snow. I don't know. My time is spent on soft dirt and snow where the Ags work well.

He lied. R4's don't seem any less capable in the woods and don't load up with snow that I've noticed. I've even down my share of tillage work with the R4's. You couldn't get me to go back to ag's.

 

[N80]

And while you're busy repremanding members that are offensive, maybe you oughta ask your kubota love-buddy N80 to refrain from the homophobic remarks that HE started making towards me first in another thread.....just to show what a wonderful, fair-minded guy you are?

Well, as usual you're getting it all wrong. First of all, this particular subject has all been part of this thread and no other. Second, it started with you including a quote of mine in your sig line! Third, I have never said anything remotely homophobic. The proof being my initial response to seeing my words in your sig line, to which I responded:

Hey Builder, I can't tell you how flattered I am that you can't stop thinking about me

You see, I said I was flattered. Which is hardly any sort of 'phobic'.Quite the opposite, in fact. And the fact that you can't stop thinking about me is undeniable. If you could drop it, if you were able to let it go, if you could stop thinking about me.....then my words wouldn't be in your sig line.

Fourth, Rob never claimed to be fair minded. He just observed what every one else here can see, which is that you just can't let it go and that it just isn't funny anymore.

But in all seriousness. Feel free to leave my words in your sig line. They don't bother me, they were said in jest and anyone who knows me here would recognize that. Me making that statement is the only funny thing about it. You including it in your sig line is just, well, kinda sad.

Now.... who do I believe.... the guys that actually have them and use them in snow (including me) or the guys that don't have them and just think they suck?

Well, two people with snow experience with R4s have responded in this thread and indicate that the R4s did load up and did not function well in the snow. Can we believe them too...or just you?

 

[mboulais]

Go with the R-1. I made the mistake of getting the R-4s on a L3010 and L4610 and was never happy. A couple of the low lights:

1. R-4s are about worthless in the snow, they float on top and get next to no traction. I had to put chains on to clear even a few inches.
2. R-4s float on wet grass. If you have any hills, be careful going down they will let loose.
3. R-4s are next to worthless in mud. They load up and just spin.
4. R-4s will slide on sidehills. About had to leave my L4610 in the woods one winter where it let loose and slid into a tree.
5. R-4s tear turf up about as bad as the R-1s.

All in all, unless you are working almost exclusively on pavement or concrete go with the R-1s or turf.

I have to say your mileage may vary, but my experience has been completely the oposite on every point.

 

[Builder]

Well, as usual you're getting it all wrong. First of all, this particular subject has all been part of this thread and no other. Second, it started with you including a quote of mine in your sig line! Third, I have never said anything remotely homophobic."

Yes you did, right here. You know exactly what you were implying:

" Hey Builder, I can't tell you how flattered I am that you can't stop thinking about me....but I'm a married man. Sorry"

It's in this thread: http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/buying-pricing-comparisons/112379-ag-industrial-tires-8.html

"The proof being my initial response to seeing my words in your sig line, to which I responded:You see, I said I was flattered. Which is hardly any sort of 'phobic'.Quite the opposite, in fact. And the fact that you can't stop thinking about me is undeniable. If you could drop it, if you were able to let it go, if you could stop thinking about me.....then my words wouldn't be in your sig line.Fourth, Rob never claimed to be fair minded. He just observed what every one else here can see, which is that you just can't let it go and that it just isn't funny anymore."

Well, I think it's funny. Why do I have to drop it? Lots of members put quotes in their sig lines. Doesn't my opinion count as much as yours? It's no fun to want to talk about a topic when someone keeps constantly trashing the thread with off topic nonsense, like this, isn't it?

"Well, two people with snow experience with R4s have responded in this thread and indicate that the R4s did load up and did not function well in the snow. Can we believe them too...or just you?

And how many people responded that R-4's work OK in snow? Do you always spin all your posts this way, not presenting the other side's point of view? Sounds kinda liberal-kook-fringy to me.

Here's some responses in the same thread contradicting what you just posted:

"He lied. R4's don't seem any less capable in the woods and don't load up with snow that I've noticed."

"I have been moving a lot of snow in the last week or so and haven't had any traction problems with the R4's. "

"I have R4's and they never caked up with snow and we get way more snow here off the NE shore of Lake Superior then most anywhere; 13 to 16 feet each winter."

Just having fun & laughing, like you said!