Tires Ag vs Industrial tires

[sodamo]

Looking at XR4140H. I’ve only run R4 industrial tires on both my Kioti CK30 and Case DX35, so was leaning that way. The available LS comes with Ag tires with no apparent, easy trade out. This is a small dealer.
Anyone with experience that can give me some insight on the Ag tires. I am concerned about being too aggressive and rutting. Any insight appreciated.
Also has anyone replaced a complete set? Wondering if it could be worthwhile to get the current machine with Ags and replace with Industrials in the future.

 

[Scottw32]

My neighbor runs R1 AG tires on his Kubota. He seems to get better traction in snow and ice with them than my R4s. I have only noticed deeper rutting with the R1s when he’s in really soft ground/ mud. If you really want R4s, maybe Talk to your dealer about ordering you a machine. LS offers the buyer of 3 different types of tires at no extra cost on the website.

 

[oosik]

I run R1's on my Kubota M6040. With the grapple on the FEL and my Rhino rear blade on the 3-point - the tractor weighs 10,100 pounds. Yes - my R1's will cause rutting - even severe rutting - if I go out on my land while the ground is still soggy and soft.

I would venture to say that R4's would do the same under similar conditions. Perhaps even worse since they would not have the traction of the R1's.

The idea being - stay the H**L off the land when soggy & soft.

 

[Thomas]

On the lawn just take turn wider and slower.
On slope R1's better for traction more so in 4WD mowing holding tractor back going down hill.
Have you consider tire chains?

 

[Diggin It]

What are your tasks and terrain? Dealing with soft soil or lava rock?

 

[CobyRupert]

I run R1's on my Kubota M6040. With the grapple on the FEL and my Rhino rear blade on the 3-point - the tractor weighs 10,100 pounds. Yes - my R1's will cause rutting - even severe rutting - if I go out on my land while the ground is still soggy and soft.

I would venture to say that R4's would do the same under similar conditions. Perhaps even worse since they would not have the traction of the R1's.

The idea being - stay the H**L off the land when soggy & soft.

.....and that's the contradiction if you have soft and soggy land:

You WANT R1's or else you will get stuck with R4's in soft and soggy land.
Also, you DON"T WANT R1's cause they make ruts in soft and soggy land.

No free lunch.
I have R1's. I've never had a problem with a tire being "too aggressive", well, other than the rut thing; but I've had problems with tires being not aggressive enough, coincidently (not!) this occurs when I'm stuck.

 

[art]

It is an easy trade out! Dealers do it all the time! the cost is different between the tires as the ag tires are cheaper then the industrials.

 

[Oldoak]

.....and that's the contradiction if you have soft and soggy land:

You WANT R1's or else you will get stuck wit R4's in soft and soggy land.
Also, you DON"T WANT R1's cause they make ruts in soft and soggy land.

No free lunch.............................

You nailed it! :thumbsup:

To the O.P., being you have experience with R4s on both your current tractors, do you ever feel you lack traction? If yes, go with R1s on the new tractor you are looking at. If not, you will have to decide for yourself if it is worth pursuing the option of sticking with R4s on a new tractor.

I prefer R1s, myself and try not to run my tractor in extremely soft soil conditions and deffinately stay off the lawn surrounding the house. They do leave impressions even in mildly soft turf.

 

[Diggin It]

<<< OR >>> Consider trying the new R14 Tires so you can let us know your experiences. Not sure if they'll fit on either R1 or R4 rims though.

 

[sodamo]

Thanks for the insight.
A few points.

Living on an island in middle of Pacific, you kinda get a different perspective.
Our small LS dealer is not only the only one on island, but only one in the state I believe. So an in house tire swap isn’t possible. To special order would be many more dollars and 2-3 months lag time.

My terrain is on side of Mauna Kea, generally slopes to Pacific,about 1100ft elevation, snow doesn’t get this low. About 14ft deep soil, not lava. 21 acres of former sugar cane/pasture that I’ve been mowing since 2005. Mostly looks pretty good. Wife uses a Sears 54” nearer house and I have a flail. I try not to do any tractoring in the rain. Like for it to dry out before mowing, but sometimes it isn’t. So behavior modification on my part? I have lost traction with my R4s, but was always on wet side when I probably should not have been mowing.

The new R14 tire looks interesting. The LSW apparently is own rim. Have to get more info for future.