Agco vs MF

fluffyone · Feb 16, 2004

Can any one tell me the difference? The agco dealer here is about 2000.00 than the Massey. Also why is the Agco such an unknown? Everyone wants to talk about green and orange, but the Agco is orange also. Please help, i want to make the plunge, but do not want to make a mistake. I dont mind paying more even for the green if it is worth it.

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Woodbeef · Feb 16, 2004

Basically the same tractors,just different colors. I don't really think any brand or color is worth the extra $$$ these days. Unless it is the only one out there with a certain option you figure you can not live without for any longer!!

JerryG · Feb 16, 2004

Also why is the Agco such an unknown? 
It is not a very old company, it was started in the 1990's by men from the old Allis Chalmers and International Harvester companies. They was nothing until they bought Massey Ferguson. And now they haven't figured out where there bacon is coming from (MF) and keep messing with and trying to get the AGCO brand moving. Me personally, I wish that they would get rid of the AGCO stuff and put everything where it belongs in Massey. If you couldn't tell, this is a sore spot for me.

Bob_Skurka · Feb 16, 2004

I would agree that no color is automatically better than any other. I have certain likes and dislikes, and so I might fit better on one of my tractors than another, but I'm color blind when buying a tractor.

I want one that will do what I need to get done, and I want a dealer close by because I am not the smartest guy in the world (just as my wife) so I need help from a dealer if something goes really wrong.

As for why AGCO and MASSEY are different prices, that is a good question, but I suspect the real answer is that one dealer has higher overhead than the other or thinks his "brand" can command a premium price. Try both, study the features, and make sure you are comfortable with the dealer support (doesn't have to be a big dealer, just one who cares). Let your gut help you make up your mind.

There are a lot of premium brands out there. Deere, New Holland & Kubota are the biggest right now. But a few years ago Kubtoa was an unknown while MF, White, I-H Farmalls, Fords and Olivers all plowed fields. Things change. The little Masseys appear to be great tractors. Kioti is coming on strong. Dealer networks do a lot to grow brands, and you might just be on the cutting edge with your choice.

yellowsocks93 · Feb 16, 2004

I've sat on both Agco and Massey and they have really nice gear shifts. I like the Massey since it is red and an old company I can relate to with our Massey 135 tractor. My favorite compact Massey is the 1455.

Durbob · Feb 16, 2004

Is that Agco 2000.00 MORE or LESS than the Massey?

fluffyone · Feb 17, 2004

The agco is about 2000.00 less than the same size massey. Also Jerry, you seem sold on red, can you tell me why? I really like them both.

Thanks
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JerryG · Feb 17, 2004

Fluffyone,
You might ask the dealer how long he has had the tractor on the lot? About the middle of the year, MF reduced the price of their tractors about $2K. That is about what it amounted to with a loader anyway.

fluffyone · Feb 17, 2004

i called him and he did say this was last years tractor. do not know if that makes any difference, he said it still had a full warranty and all that good stuff. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Woodbeef · Feb 17, 2004

Does he mean 2002 ? It would be paid inventory,and probably at the higher price before the reductions AGCO had across the board on CUTs.

fluffyone · Feb 17, 2004

I think it is an 03, he had six or seven of these units. with a fel. the price was 11,500.00 with a gear tranny

do not know if that is good or bad. went by the MF dealer today after work and he had a 1428 just like the Agco, except red, but I could not get any one to talk with me, it was about 20 minutes before closing and they were busy putting up the tractors.
i will try tomorrow.

thanks
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megotatractor · Feb 18, 2004

Okay, so Agco and MF are similar if not same... who builds them?

JerryG · Feb 18, 2004

In a word "Iseki".

CMunger · Feb 18, 2004

The MF, AGCO, and Challenger are all the same just painted different colors, built by Iseki
Chuck M.

JerryG · Feb 18, 2004

The MF, AGCO, and Challenger are all the same just painted different colors, built by Iseki 
They are all made by Iseki, but most if not all of the Challengers are the MF 1200 line not the new 1400's series.

CMunger · Feb 18, 2004

Jerry- Don't you think the Caterpiller dealers will have all the model's available to them??
Chuck M.

JerryG · Feb 18, 2004

Yes, but from what I have seen they are all 1200's. I have spoken to a couple of dealers about it and they seem to believe that it is one of the ways AGCO is trying to keep the Cat some what different from the AGCOs and the Masseys at least as far as the compacts go. They still have a full line up with maybe the exception of the GC2310. Each model has an equivalent in the 1200's vs the 1400's except for the before mentioned GC.

Tractors4u · Feb 20, 2004

I looked at the AGCOs and Masseys and the AGCO here was about $2000 less than Massey. The dealer told me they were trying to get them off the lot and under peoples butts so they would get to be known. Allis Chalmers has been pretty much gone since the compact tractor craze started. Maybe if they called them AGCO Allis there would be more name recognition. They are great tractors but what turned me away was:
1. Lack of faith in the dealer even though they were an established dealer.
2. The loader was pink instead of orange. That's right, I said pink. The dealer said the manufacturer of the loader had messed the paint color up. At first I thought it was just faded but looking on the bottom side of the frame it was pink. Dealer said AGCO would pay for a new paint job on the loader but I didn't want orange peeling off and revealing pink later on.
3. The way the dealer had mounted the loader it was not quick attach.

I also looked at a CAT Challenger compact that was identical to the MF1433 and the comparable AGCO and CAT wanted about $6000 more. Gee CAT orange paint cost more than JD green.

Nasty135 · Feb 21, 2004

fluffyone , I had been window shopping on the eastern shore of maryland at an agco dealer, I was pricing the st35 & st30 w/ hydro trans & fel and my quote was 20,800 and 18,500 respectively, now maybe this guy was just waiting to see if I was serious but after I regained conciousness I excused myself from the premises and went to soutern md. to get the 1433v for exactly $5000. american dollars less for the the same tractor minus the hydro trans which is about $1000. over the standard shuttle trans , So I'm a little confused that the other posts were saying that the agco was less than the massey, what gives?
Probably the agco dealer I was talking to was giving the list price
on the units I inquired about /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif because if the agco's are less than the massey's I may have ended up with a peach colored tractor? (NOT)but now I would really like to know /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif