Ah, the Tour de France will be American Again

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scesnick said:
And he should be if he in fact did cheat. But I would take this info with a grain of salt. It is no secret the french absolutley hate the fact that Lance dominated them for so long. I would not doubt one bit if they trumped up this charge.
Hmm, I'm not sure who came in second place but if it was a Frenchman I would REALLY have to wonder about the authenticity of the positive test.
We will See !!!!

If he tests positive for "excess" testosterone, could there be other conclusions besides doping. Is it better for a guy to test positive for excess testosterone then excess estrogen? Can someone put such a thing into the food supply knowingly causing someone to test higher, you know like eating poppy seeds and testing positive for oppiates? I am just curious. Also, who were they using for normal testosterone levels, French men?
 
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Scesnick,
I have to agree. If you read the article posted on the MSN home page. There is no mention of stripping anything from anyone !!! Just that the testosterone levels were high ! Along with a bunch of other riders. It should prove interesting if nothing else! Lance battled the french media for six years and never had anything stripped from him :)
 
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And the French went after Lance with an old test sample. I saw that those so called test results where just recently "thrown" out by some testing authority. But not after months of slinging mud...

Later,
Dan
 
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Since I was the original poster on this, I feel I should weigh in on the topic. According to my source (namely my coach--who knows Floyd's coach)--please do not confuse me with being nearly as good as Floyd because I have a coach--Floyd's total and free testosterone levels were not elevated, but rather only his ratio of testosterone (total) to epitestosterone (naturally occurring). The UCI, cycling's governing body, sets a ratio of 1:4, assuming that if your body produces low epitestosterone it is because you are taking it from some other source, namely through shot, gel or patch. This is an erroneous assumption in someone who has a normal free testosterone. The other thing is why? Testosterone speeds recovery but to receive measurable benefit, one must take it long term, not before one stage. Also, among cyclists it does not offer the significant benefits to performance that it would to an Olympic powerlifter. Assumably Floyd was tested earlier in the Tour and I am unaware that that test was positive. It is no secret among cyclists that the UCI has some suspicious testing methods and I have little confidence that the second test will reveal any different information. To me, I think the B test will also be positive and one must wonder whether the UCI would let another lab confirm THEIR testing (I doubt it.) The only shadow of doubt in mind for me would be whether Floyd could have been prescribed testosterone supplements by a physician in attempt to increase bone density in his ailing hip, but then he should have known better. If that were the case one would think his samples from the Tour of California, Tour de Georgia, and Paris-Nice race, all of which he won, would also have been positive. Personally, I smell a rat and it is in the testers, not Floyd. Of course, I have been wrong before (just once, though).

John M
 
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scesnick said:
Hmm, I'm not sure who came in second place but if it was a Frenchman I would REALLY have to wonder about the authenticity of the positive test.
We will See !!!!

2nd place rider is Italian.
 
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FWJ,

The second placed GC rider was actually Spanish and was on Landis' team last year. He has been most gracious through the day, saying it would, "give him no pleasure" to win as a result of disqualification.

John M
 
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Makes you wonder what the athletes are thinking about their sport. I mean they cannot really enjoy going through these testing/qualifying procedures.

It is after all their living and purpose. I am sure being slung at all the time is wearing on a whole lot of them.

In the end -- too bad for the sport.

-Mike Z.
 
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I wondered about drugs when he made up that horrendous lag. Keeping my mind open until more test results are in. Per today's noon news, his testossterone was 4 times the normal level. Bad testing? False positive? He did take drugs? Waiting. It will not surprise me to find him dirty though. That sport is one of the dirtiest in the business per the reports. If he tests positive about all they can do is just shut down the tour. Any winner will be suspect in the future. Too bad that sportsmen can't be honest.

Harry K
 

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