Airparks as neighbors?

tat2z1969 · Feb 9, 2006

( So how do other states handle private airstrips or air parks?

Are rules and regulations deemed by the local officials?

Are they enforced?

Do owner/operators have any land restriictions placed on them (easements, right of ways, etc. etc)

Thanks!

-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif )

One has to be careful, my property is in a diamond between 2 roads, on the other side of the main road is a air park that people buy lots and build and become part share of the runway, most are US Air pilots.
The guy who did this bought up a old farm and snuck it in and this area has restrictions on changing farm land into anything else.
Anyway they can only take off and land during daylight, they can't fly lower than 2000 feet over the near by farms. They can't fly over my farm since I am a Ham radio operator and have towers on my property and I have been here for years.
So for them to keep flying they had to buy the land on the approach and take off paths 1000 yard before and after the runway.
There is a constant problem and the township meetings are always hot and heavy over the planes.
The other thing that has happened a ultra lite crashed in my pond, Thank God the guy was ok and he paid to have the pond cleaned to get the gas-oil mix out of the water, so I had no problem with that, but on another farm a guy crashed with a sea plane set up, when said and done the farm sued for thousands and the pilot lost his license and home and Job over it.
I will tell you this and it is wrong, but locals have shot at the planes with rifles. From what I have heard it is mostly visiting planes that fly real low and buzz the farms, they look like 50 feet off the ground, but I know they are higher, but they do buzz real low and live stock have been killed trying to jump fences to get away from the planes.

EarPlug · Feb 10, 2006

In a rural are the minimum altitude is 500 feet. See section "c" below.

Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 14, Volume 2]
[Revised as of January 1, 2003]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 14CFR91.119]

[Page 186]

TITLE 14--AERONAUTICSAND SPACE

CHAPTER I--FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
(CONTINUED)

PART 91--GENERAL OPERATING AND FLIGHT RULES--Table of Contents

Subpart B--Flight Rules

Sec. 91.119 Minimum safe altitudes: General.

Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate
an aircraft below the following altitudes:
(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an
emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the
surface.
(b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town,
or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of
1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of
2,000 feet of the aircraft.
(c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above
the surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In
those cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to
any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.
(d) Helicopters. Helicopters may be operated at less than the
minimums prescribed in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the
operation is conducted without hazard to persons or property on the
surface. In addition, each person operating a helicopter shall comply
with any routes or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters by
the Administrator.

riptides · Feb 10, 2006

( In Oregon if you build under the approach or departure end of an existing airport, you have no legal standing to complain about noise from the airport. )

That's smart planning. I agree about who was first, but then the interesting thing is speculator who unbeknownst to abutting property owners, buy, rezone, and sit for a while. Then after many years, even thought they were first, develope into an area that obviously has grown up around them.

But, not my drift in this thread. i am interested in who polices private air parks and the county influence on them.

Thanks.
-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

riptides · Feb 10, 2006

( What do you mean by "handle", regulate? )

Well my example is there are rules the county has "enforced" on a private air strip. Yet I see no enforcement. There were to be easement restrictions placed on the land, because of the air strip.

So I wonder how other counties/states enforce and regulate private air strips.

-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

riptides · Feb 10, 2006

Sounds like what could happen to our area. Funny you should mention ultralights. They have some pretty hard rules to fly by. And the county has set forth those rules. Yet I really don't see how the county can enforce those rules.

Now there is talk of easements and long-term planning, then developers have their eye open to land aquistions.

But, there is that air strip, with rules, so I am trying to figure out how other counties/states do legal enforcement and what "enforcement" to "rules" means.

-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

riptides · Feb 10, 2006

Does this apply to "ultra light" type aircraft?

-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

( In a rural are the minimum altitude is 500 feet. See section "c" below. )

CRJCaptain · Feb 11, 2006

( Anyway they can only take off and land during daylight, they can't fly lower than 2000 feet over the near by farms. They can't fly over my farm since I am a Ham radio operator and have towers on my property and I have been here for years.
So for them to keep flying they had to buy the land on the approach and take off paths 1000 yard before and after the runway.
There is a constant problem and the township meetings are always hot and heavy over the planes.
The other thing that has happened a ultra lite crashed in my pond, Thank God the guy was ok and he paid to have the pond cleaned to get the gas-oil mix out of the water, so I had no problem with that, but on another farm a guy crashed with a sea plane set up, when said and done the farm sued for thousands and the pilot lost his license and home and Job over it.
I will tell you this and it is wrong, but locals have shot at the planes with rifles. From what I have heard it is mostly visiting planes that fly real low and buzz the farms, they look like 50 feet off the ground, but I know they are higher, but they do buzz real low and live stock have been killed trying to jump fences to get away from the planes.)

Keep in mind that municipalities, states, townships and the like can pass as many bylaws and regulations as they like, but US airspace is strictly under jurisdiction of the federal government and the FAR's (Federal Aviation Regulations).

The only thing the local governments can control is what happens on the ground, ie. zoning and the like.

Federal Aviation Regulations

CRJCaptain · Feb 11, 2006

( Funny you should mention ultralights. They have some pretty hard rules to fly by. And the county has set forth those rules. Yet I really don't see how the county can enforce those rules. )

See my post above...the county has no jurisdiction or authority whatsoever to regulate an aircraft once it's in the air. They can, however regulate what happens on the ground...land zoning issues, takeoff and landing noise curfews and the like.

Once an aircraft is airborne, be it a hot air balloon, glider, ultralight or turbine powered heavy jet it is bound only by the FAR's.