MossRoad
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Not in Indiana..... we're still discussing the possibility of legalizing liquor sales on Sunday here...
Alcohol vs marijuana
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Not in Indiana..... we're still discussing the possibility of legalizing liquor sales on Sunday here...
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By him saying he doesn't like the way it makes him feel, I take that to me he tried it and didn't like it.
Anywho... still a very civil conversation going on here. :thumbsup:
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As for pot causing less problems than alcohol... I'd venture to say it causes different problems, but problems nonetheless.
Health problems from drinking and chronic smoking are both serious. I do think alcohol is harder on the brain and liver. Smoke is hard on your lungs and heart. I personally believe pot is hard on your brain differently than alcohol is hard on your brain. But, I have no scientific evidence, just personal observations.
As for driving under the influence of either, both are seriously bad. I could tell some horror stories about high speed driving drunk OR stoned on my own account. You hit anyone at those speeds and they're gonna die. You, too, probably.
As someone mentioned, back in the 70's and early 80's things were quite different. Cops caught you drinking underage, they'd make you pour it out and tell you to "go home, and if we catch you out here again tonight, we'll tell your parents." I think it was that they knew what it was like to be young, and they thought if they did you a favor, perhaps you'd do them a favor and get off the road.
However, several things happened....
One, they'd send someone home, and on the way home, that person would hit and kill someone. Then the victims families would sue the cops and the courts would hold the cops responsible.... so the cops decided a couple things and one of those were they were tired of trying to be nice, and, they decided drunk driving was actually dangerous. It was a paradigm shift. (and a good one, in my opinion). ZERO tolerance for DUI.
Two, mothers against drunk driving. They were tired of losing their loved ones. They finally got together and turned the tide on drunk driving. That was another good thing.
You have to remember, there were probably about half as many cars on the road just 35 years ago. We could go out in the country and sit on the side of the road and drink, or even drive around for miles and miles, and not see another car for an hour or more. Today, on those same back-country roads, it's rare to not see a car at least every couple minutes. Even the last remaining gravel roads. I know. We go out to those roads to this day, but now, to look at the stars because the city is so bright now, and its rare NOT to see another car.
I'm happy to report that most college students, and young married folks, that I talk to under the age of about 30 seem to do a lot less driving under the influence of anything and find it perfectly normal to take an Uber or crash out at someone's house, rather than driving home. But these are all college students, or young married people with jobs. The ones I worked night shift with still had no moral dilemmas about driving under the influence.
So, the levels of education and responsibilities seem to be in direct proportion with choosing not to DUI.
Health problems from drinking and chronic smoking are both serious. I do think alcohol is harder on the brain and liver. Smoke is hard on your lungs and heart. I personally believe pot is hard on your brain differently than alcohol is hard on your brain. But, I have no scientific evidence, just personal observations.
As for driving under the influence of either, both are seriously bad. I could tell some horror stories about high speed driving drunk OR stoned on my own account. You hit anyone at those speeds and they're gonna die. You, too, probably.
As someone mentioned, back in the 70's and early 80's things were quite different. Cops caught you drinking underage, they'd make you pour it out and tell you to "go home, and if we catch you out here again tonight, we'll tell your parents." I think it was that they knew what it was like to be young, and they thought if they did you a favor, perhaps you'd do them a favor and get off the road.
However, several things happened....
One, they'd send someone home, and on the way home, that person would hit and kill someone. Then the victims families would sue the cops and the courts would hold the cops responsible.... so the cops decided a couple things and one of those were they were tired of trying to be nice, and, they decided drunk driving was actually dangerous. It was a paradigm shift. (and a good one, in my opinion). ZERO tolerance for DUI.
Two, mothers against drunk driving. They were tired of losing their loved ones. They finally got together and turned the tide on drunk driving. That was another good thing.
You have to remember, there were probably about half as many cars on the road just 35 years ago. We could go out in the country and sit on the side of the road and drink, or even drive around for miles and miles, and not see another car for an hour or more. Today, on those same back-country roads, it's rare to not see a car at least every couple minutes. Even the last remaining gravel roads. I know. We go out to those roads to this day, but now, to look at the stars because the city is so bright now, and its rare NOT to see another car.
I'm happy to report that most college students, and young married folks, that I talk to under the age of about 30 seem to do a lot less driving under the influence of anything and find it perfectly normal to take an Uber or crash out at someone's house, rather than driving home. But these are all college students, or young married people with jobs. The ones I worked night shift with still had no moral dilemmas about driving under the influence.
So, the levels of education and responsibilities seem to be in direct proportion with choosing not to DUI.
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I worked at a factory that at one time had over 2000 people working. We had one of the worst safety records of any factory in the US of our size and industry. They started drug testing after any minor accident. Turn something over, drug test, slip and fall, drug test. We probably fired between fifty and a hundred people mostly for testing positive for pot. With three years we had one of the best safety records on our size factories in our industry. There were other factors but the union and company safety people would admit in private that this was achieved by firing all the potheads.
I had two friends hurt in accidents by someone else smoking pot in the factory. They somehow managed to cover up what happened on one but the other guy was hurt too bad and they fired the guy who ran over him.
If it is legalized it scares me to think about all the potheads driving all mellowed out and not really caring.
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I had two friends hurt in accidents by someone else smoking pot in the factory. They somehow managed to cover up what happened on one but the other guy was hurt too bad and they fired the guy who ran over him.
If it is legalized it scares me to think about all the potheads driving all mellowed out and not really caring.
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Not in Indiana..... we're still discussing the possibility of legalizing liquor sales on Sunday here...
You guys are moving right up into the 20th century........:laughing:
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:laughing:Yep, I've done that.:laughing: The world continues to change. One of Dad's friends gave me a can of malt liquor once when I was 17. That was the only alcohol I drank before I was 21 and could buy it legally. And I never drank more than one beer in a day before I was 25 or 26. I became a police officer when I was 24, and I had never seen, smelled, and certainly never used marijuana. And when I first became an officer, simple possession of ANY identifiable amount of marijuana could get you 15 years in the state prison in Texas. Now it would get you a citation, like a traffic ticket, unless you had a lot of it.
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I think you live in an liberal environment to the extreme and are not in touch with the rest of the vast majority of America. Most of the rest of the country is looking to what happened in Colorado and the rest of the left coast as a gigantic mistake not to replicated.
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In FL you can buy beer and wine after 1:00 PM on Sunday...I think they passed the law that way so the folks that don't go to church can't get a head start on those that do...Not in Indiana..... we're still discussing the possibility of legalizing liquor sales on Sunday here...
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Surprisingly, as drunk and/or stoned as I was in my youth, I never, ever rode my motorcycle unless stone cold sober. And always wore a helmet. Kinda illogical thinking, as I had no such concerns when cars were involved and they can cause much more damage to others than a bike. As others have mentioned, I was fortunate not to have hurt anyone. Now, when I see a drunk driver cause death or injury... I have to do some serious reflection as to what possessed me to do the same actions back then. It kind of puts you in your own personal little corner of **** for a while. Even 30 years later, I often wonder what the heck was I thinking?
They weren't around in his day, but Darwin would have recognized MCs as a very effective selection tool. Even in your Party On Daze period Moss, you clearly understood that.
I got back on a MC (street) about 10 years ago. I drink rarely, as I'm constantly driving caged to do anything. With an MC, I won't have even one beer at lunch, if I'm getting on an MC that evening - I'd be perfectly legal doing that, but I figure age alone does enough to diminish my reflexes..... I don't need to add any other factors at this stage of the game.
You often see high substance abuse rates in dull repetitive factory jobs, but it also definitely occurs at all socioeconomic levels. I ended up having an interesting chat one day, with a former MPP (provincial politician). His formal training was in economics, and as we drifted through discussing a few topics, we ended up talking about drugs. His main point - people often underestimate the size of the illegal drug industry - you see a few obviously messed up people now and then, and think "There's the Drug Problem". Much like this discussion has covered, his last point was that many people at very high levels in society (and who appear high functioning) are doing a ton of dope.
Some people pay attention to laws, which helps on the roads. Some people, not so much. Wife and I used to get to a nice restaurant 3 towns over (sadly, now closed) once in a while. Upper class area, very expensive homes. Would often see well-dressed people knocking back very large glasses of wine with dinner, then jumping in a car. Nobody was staggering, but even blowing .05 here is very expensive.
Even at .049, there are people who shouldn't be behind the wheel. Different people metabolize alcohol differently. One co-worker years ago, would be blasted on half a beer - no interaction with anything else, that was just him.
Some people like the variability of drugs (What is the Ride going to be Tonight ?) <- That's one big reason they never appealed to me. If I sit down with a 40oz bottle of whisky, I know exactly what is going to happen if I drink 1/4" from the bottle. And, 3/4", 1".......
To gain the tax revenue, govts are quite willing to have more stoners driving around with next to no enforceable laws in place........ you don't have to be much of a fiction-writer to imagine this tying in with driver-less cars becoming mandatory.....
Rgds, D.
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