All kinds of Branson issues

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Glad to hear you are happy with your Branson now and the nightmare is over. I bought my '09-3820i TLB from Daves Tractor in Red Bluff. It's done a lot of hard work for me and I hate to hear that someone is having trouble with theirs because I know they are a tough tractor and shouldn't bend and break like that. All said, Dave, Rob and the entire shop have been a great dealer to deal with. I must say though I haven't had much problems with mine. The problems I had were more my doing, but they always answered the phone and got me straight. Thanks Dave. I guess I'm plugging for Daves Tractor now. Just greatfull.
Happy tractoring in Montana.
 
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Dave seems to do alot for all on this forum. The toughness of the tractor is why I chose it, I have ran the **** out of it this summer, here are some pictures of the house my wife and I are building and a few of the many jobs the tractor has been doing. 36' long glulam, my Dad backfilling the 130' long 10' deep trench for the water line, a view from inside the trench looking up at my wife running the BH and a rsz_imag1492.jpgcool shot of the SW corner of the house. Notice all the haze, it's from the many fires of the west including the 3 around me. rsz_imag1511.jpg.rsz_1imag1462.jpg Sorry for the strange picture layout, my first time posting pictures.
 

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   / All kinds of Branson issues #23  
ba a view from inside the trench looking up at my wife running the BH and a [ATTACH=CONFIG said:
281393[/ATTACH]cool shot of the SW corner of the house. QUOTE]

Being in an unsupported trench more than 4 feet deep is not a good idea. OSHA regs forbid it due to possible collapse. Please take care and avoid working in un-supported sides of ditches, even a four foot one can hurt you if you have your head down and it caves off. Sometimes it seems to be stable when first dug but can start caving off as it dries out. Lots of folks been killed from trench cave ins. You just cant dig them out fast enough to prevent death when it happens.
 
   / All kinds of Branson issues #24  
I second that from Gary. I have been one of those buried people. Sandy 5' trench, I'm the laborer backfilling over the water line with sand. Use to put in many feet of water line a day for state jobs...got in a hurry used no box and bang, trench collapsed and buried me up to my waste with my foot caught under the pipe.
Moral of the story always use a trench box or "v" the heck out of the trench.
 
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I knew I was going to hear about that. I understand what your all saying, I've been to many trenching classes and know all the rules, I have no excuess but that is the main reason why my wife was there, to keep an eye on things. It is a a class 1 soil though, hard stuff!!
 
   / All kinds of Branson issues #27  
Wow what a story. All i can say is i have had my 3510 for years and no real issues other than a slightly bent bucket from pushing over trees. Time to go see the neighbor again so he can straighten with his excavator bucket. Glad to hear it worked out.
 
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Hi all,
Guess what, yep I bent another ram, same as the last one. I haven't used it since I last posted, I was diging around 6.5' deep in soft dirt when it gave way. When the ram is fully extended it can't take the force from the bucket curling. The good news is the dealer replaced it in less than a week and it's looking like they are going to upgrade me to the next bigger BH, the 860. Of course I will be paying for it but there going to make me a good deal. I am thinking about trading it for a front mount snowblower but I'm not sure yet, anybody have any thoughts on the capabilities of the 860? My 760 is kinda weak, it has a hard time digging in the hard dirt I live on. Is the 860 more powerfull, there aren't any specs on the website.

Thanks guys.
 
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Broke the subframe on my BH today. Starting to think I need a bigger tractor, like a case 580 or something...
 
   / All kinds of Branson issues #30  
Broke the subframe on my BH today. Starting to think I need a bigger tractor, like a case 580 or something...

I sold a TLB to a guy a few years back. He was 6'6" tall, 320 lbs and not fat. He told me right up front "you can put me in a rubber room with two anvils. 15 minutes later I'll have broke one and lost the other." He didn't actually break much and he's a super customer. But what he was telling me is to sell him the industrial $2400 box scraper, not the $550 unit, and the heaviest backhoe, etc. He bought top of the line, didn't break much and has had the tractor 7 years now. But when he latches on to something with his 4-n-1, just like when he grabs something with his hands, he expects to lift it or tear it apart. He has no low-speed or gentle mode. You don't sell a guy like that anything but the best you have.

We have sold a lot of Bransons over the years. We generally sell the Amerequip made 8620 hoe on them. We have had very few problems. Never had a subframe break. We've had a couple of guys bend bucket rams, but that is generally due to misuse or abuse. You see, when you have that bucket curled all the way in, it's ram is completely extended and in it's weakest position. If the teeth of the bucket are caught on something and you pull up the boom hard, there is no where for the oil to escape the cylinder since it is beyond the pressure relief. So a cylinder that will only see 2400 psi through the valve, may spike to over 5000 psi. If it is all the way extended, it's tough on things. A sharp shop can install a load relief between the valve and the bucket cylinder and set it fairly high. That will allow the bucket cylinder to close instead of bend.

Some might wonder why there are no load reliefs standard. It's a matter of cost and the fact that seldom does anyone bend a ram like this. If you take a valve setup on a nice excavator, it may cost more than the entire backhoe for a small tractor. And I have bent excavator rams, but I knew when I did it that I was asking for trouble since I had the pressure reliefs set a touch high. That machine would dig like no other, but over the years I bent two bucket rams. Both times ripping through roots with the bucket curled all the way and bouncing the unit a little with the main boom ram. Works super, or busts things...either the root or the ram. Eventually we set the pressure back a bit. Which brings up the thought, have they checked the pressures on your unit? They might be high.
 
   / All kinds of Branson issues #31  
It sounds like to me that the OP is seriously abusing the tractor and accesories.
These are NOT full blown commercial construction vehicles. They are very well made but are made for light to medium duty.
I have had my 3510 for quite a while and the only thing I have torn up was the arms on a box blade and that was because I was knocking down a woods fire near a friends house and got very aggressive backing up!
 
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I'm 6'3" 220 and "not fat" I tend to be rough on things (including my own body) and try to plan for that. My wife says I only have one speed and that I'm rough on things too. I use to do alot of heavy equipment operating (never broke anything though) I think I am treating this machine more like a piece of contruction equipment and not a farm machine. I told the dealer that today and applogized for all the trouble I have caused him.... He didn't seem to mind and thanked me for being patient, I can't say enough about the dealer, good people.

As far as the rams bending, it's the boom up and down that as bent twice now not the ram that curls the bucket. When I curled the bucket that ram failed. I honostly don't think it's my fault that they keep bending, I will take the blame for the broken subframe but not the rams. They where suppose to test the pressure but they decided to upgrade me instead. A couple of guys in the area that do alot of dirt work said I live on the hardest ground in the county and that my "little BH won't stand up to it" that may just be true. I will just have to learn to take it easy on it and not expect it to perform like a want. But like I have said before, I love the tractor!!

Again Dave, thanks for the info.
 
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It sounds like to me that the OP is seriously abusing the tractor and accesories.
These are NOT full blown commercial construction vehicles. They are very well made but are made for light to medium duty.
I have had my 3510 for quite a while and the only thing I have torn up was the arms on a box blade and that was because I was knocking down a woods fire near a friends house and got very aggressive backing up!


I don't think you know me well enough to say that. Spent much time in NW Wyoming? Ground is much different that FL. In my area we had 2 glaciers move through and I live on what was once an old river, lots of rock, sand and clay. I'm also in between 3 mountain ranges, the geography up here is like nothing I have ever seen before.
 
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Backintheday, I am a little mystified as to why the boom ram is bending. That ought to be very difficult to bend by way of operator misuse. I do think bending bucket rams is often induced by the operator as I mentioned, even though it is hard for me to blame an operator for it. These things are made to dig, and if they are only good in soft soil, then why have one. I guess what needs to be considered is the dynamics that are happening to cause it. Generally rams on smaller backhoes bend when the valve spool is centered (closed) on that particular ram and that ram is fully or nearly fully extended, then a great amount of force is applied to the ram by either another cylinder in the system or by tractor motion relative to the ground, or something like that. These sort of things are kind of fun to figure out, except for the $$ and downtime. No fun in that. With your soil/rock conditions, you probably do need a commercial machine to dig with any speed. Keep the Branson as a tractor/loader, and buy an older full size rig and use it for the backhoe part only.

Nice of you to still say good things about your dealer and your tractor. You sound like a pretty good guy. We have sold a ton of tractors, and every few years we get a tractor that causes us grief. Generally it is a combination of a legitimate problem or two and a rookie operator (not meaning you) and it seems that the sky is falling for a few days. But if both the owner and the dealer keep their cool and do not point fingers or jump to conclusions (like abuse) and treat each other respectfully, things get solved and neither the customer nor the dealer regret the relationship.
 
   / All kinds of Branson issues #35  
<snip> A couple months ago I called the rep to ask him what is taking so long to get this resolved, I was calm and polite and the POS on the phone started yelling at me and using a few choice words, all I asked was if I could get an extended warranty on the FEL and BH. He was a complete A-HOLE. I called my dealer back and he said "see what I have to deal with." The issue has since gone over his head, once someone else got involved things started slowly being resolved. <snip>

I'm here because I'm thinking of buying Branson, but had to comment on this. Keep a tape recorder at the phone, or on many cell phones press the record button.

12 states require 2 party consent.
California
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Illinois
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Montana
New Hampshire
Pennsylvania
Washington

The rest don't.
 
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Hey all,
Its been a couple months since ive had time to update everybody. Here goes, so after a month of miss communication between my dealer and branson i finally got my bigger better BH, by the time i got it everything was frozen so i knew it would be a good test. So i ran it for .5 an hour and all of a sudden it stopped swinging left, it would barley creep. I called the dealer and let him know how happy i was with my new BH. He came up the next day and fixed an issue with the hydraulics.I ran it for another 30 mins and it started acting up again but not all the time. I was able to get enough of my leach feild finished to make it through the winter so i stopped digging in the frozen ground and told the dealer not to worry about it until hes in the area. So after it showed up broken i told the dealer im not paying for this until someone from branson calls me to explain what is going on and i could express my issues. The VP called and appologized and said hes making a few cyanges so customers can get ahold of branson for issues with there machines. He told me to call him if i have issuez so i called him back to inform him of my problems and that they need to start paying their dealers for the time traveled for warranty repairs, he wasnt happy to hear from me.

As ive said before i love the tractor and the dealer is great but i will not buy another branson again.
Sorry for the poor spelling, im on my droid trying to type.
 

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