Allis Chalmers B and CA

[flusher]

To me that would be way to high for any non running tractor. I have these 2 for sale and only want 2750.00 for the most expensive one of them so if you count the price of tires, batteries, 3PH,paint/decals, mufflers, altenators, wires ect. without the cost of repairing/rebuilding the engines you would have a fortune in it and the amount it would be worth would make it prohibitive. Plus a U, UC, or WC doesn't have a hudrolic lift, and for using a tractor that is a must.
I like messing with old tractors and will buy another when these are sold, but I sure don't want anyone to think you can make any money on them. I have a fun hobby that pays for itself if I'm carefull and the moon and stars align just right. I bought the B and repaired it so that you get on it and hit the starter and it is ready to go to work. I'm asking 2750 for it and have that much in it not counting all the hrs of work. I did the same with the CA. It starts and runs and works good and I'm asking 2250 for it and have that much in it, so it isn't a money maker.
I would look for an old B or a CA, or and N series Ford to start on. Buy something that runs and works, then you can find out how much work goes into fixing it , then see if that is something you want to do again. You may just find a self paying hobby that you like. HTH, later, Nat

Well I shot a few photos of that AC. Misread the For Sale sign. It's a 1954 model, not 1934. Talked to the owner. He thinks it's a 1954 WC, last run about 4 years ago. But the WC went out of production in 1948. If it truely is a 1954 model, then it's likely a WD-45 (be still my beating heart).

Looked all over for an ID tag, but no luck. Any suggestions here are welcomed with thanks.

It's a tricycle tractor.

Here's a shot showing the 3pt and the external hydraulic cylinder. The owner said he thinks it was an option or aftermarket item added by a previous owner.

Tires are marginal. There's an rear ag tire to replace the turf tire.

Looks like it would need a fairly lengthy restoration effort.

 

[scott_vt]

Scott, As I know you are a Farmall man (as am I), we also had an older B AC that had the single hyd cyl lift. Now, did you know that the rear wheels from an A Farmall and a B AC will interchange??/ the wheels/rims bolt patterns are identical. Cool huh?? BobG in VA

Good Evenin Bob,
No Bob I didnt know that !!! Its nice to learn something new before the sunsets everyday !!! Thanks !

 

[Nat]

Bob, actually the wheels won't interchange, but the rims from a A Farmall will bolt right on the old style cast B -AC wheels, and you don't have to use the stupid excentric bolts that AC used on them. I would love to find a set of Farmall rims for the next B AC that I redo. They have a square loop that fits right on the place where the excentric lugs on a cast wheel B -AC go and it is a ton easier.


Flusher, that is a WD pictured and it has the origional WD lift with a homemade 3PH added. The serial no. is on the rear differential at the left brake opening. It will say WD xxxx or WD-45xxxx if it were a WD 45. All the 45s I've ever seen had the curved gearstick and I believe the 45s had a cover on the side of the block at the lifters. I can't see one in the pics, and it looks to have the strait gearstick so that would make it a WD. Don't be confused the WD is a great tractor, most folks around here pulled a 3-14" plow with a WD and they were a bullet proof tractor, and the hand clutch gave it live hydraulics and live PTO. A WD will pull a 6' bushhog easy and a 8' disc.

Scott, I wish I wanted to restore and keep one for myself, then I would make one as nice or nearlly as nice as your super A. From redoing yours you know that you can't restore one and make it cost effective to resell.
A super A is a 2 plow tractor and a AC- B is a one plow tractor, but the super A is a 123 CI engine and the AC-B is 125, but the fact that the B is only a 3 sp trans means the super A will pull more. Enough tractor trivia Later, Nat

 

[BobG_in_VA]

Scott, I wish I wanted to restore and keep one for myself, then I would make one as nice or nearlly as nice as your super A. From redoing yours you know that you can't restore one and make it cost effective to resell.
A super A is a 2 plow tractor and a AC- B is a one plow tractor, but the super A is a 123 CI engine and the AC-B is 125, but the fact that the B is only a 3 sp trans means the super A will pull more. Enough tractor trivia Later, Nat

Nat, now its my turn (grin)...Super A had a 113 cu/in engine except in about '54 when they actually made a few with the 123 in engine and called it the Super A1. the 123 engine was used in the 100/130/140. (You could redo a 113 to 123 by going to the larger piston/sleeve sets). Also, you may have seen a couple of 1pt FastHitch 2 bottom plows that would fit a Super A but unless you had a "bunch" of extra weight/loaded tires and super sandy soil, the Super A probably would have worn you out trying to plow with a 2 bottom. They were actually rated as a 1 bottom plow tractor. As an aside (and we can agree to disagree here...) the AC B will normally out do a Super A in tractor pulls...don't know why, but AC's really do put the HP to the ground. BobG in VA

 

[Soundguy]

Thanks Chris, even though they aren't on the cover of a magazine, like you I'm proud of my work. Congrats on getting yours displayed, Doesn't it make you feel good to know others appreciate all the work you put into it? later, Nat

Yes it does.

Also.. that 5000 was the first cover shot i ever got. Even surprised me when I opend the mail box.

first thing i said was.. wow.. nice ford on the cover. then about a half second later i recognized my barn in the background!

soundguy

 

[scott_vt]

Yes it does.

Also.. that 5000 was the first cover shot i ever got. Even surprised me when I opend the mail box.

first thing i said was.. wow.. nice ford on the cover. then about a half second later i recognized my barn in the background!

soundguy

Mornin Chris,
Sheesh what the heck are you doin up in the middle of the night ???

BTW thats one suprise that would be welcomed at my mailbox anyday !!!

 

[Soundguy]

My 2nd job keeps me up till usually 1am.. sometimes later depending on the day..

soundguy

 

[flusher]

Flusher, that is a WD pictured and it has the origional WD lift with a homemade 3PH added. The serial no. is on the rear differential at the left brake opening. It will say WD xxxx or WD-45xxxx if it were a WD 45. All the 45s I've ever seen had the curved gearstick and I believe the 45s had a cover on the side of the block at the lifters. I can't see one in the pics, and it looks to have the strait gearstick so that would make it a WD. Don't be confused the WD is a great tractor, most folks around here pulled a 3-14" plow with a WD and they were a bullet proof tractor, and the hand clutch gave it live hydraulics and live PTO. A WD will pull a 6' bushhog easy and a 8' disc.

Later, Nat

Thanks for the info. I'll try to find the serial number tomorrow. Is this number printed on a metal tag, or is it cast into the rear differential casting?

 

[Nat]

stamped into the rear housing near where the brake adjustment is made.Later, Nat

 

[flusher]

stamped into the rear housing near where the brake adjustment is made.Later, Nat

Thanks for the info. I'll check the tractor again today.